<p>The above shows students in the upper quartile at North Carolina State University is likely smater than students in the lower quartile at Berkeley.</p>
<p>Yes, if you equate intelligence with SAT scores, which is questionable. Your math is sound, if that’s what you’re asking. My real question is WHY? All you have shown is that the top quartile of students at NC have higher SAT scores than the bottom quartile at Berkeley.</p>
<p>You can’t really go by that to determine what your classmates will be like.</p>
<p>I think NCSU has the engineering school, so it’s likely if you’re an eng’g major, then your classmates will largely come from the upper quartile of that school. </p>
<p>Cal is the flagship and has many high stats kids in many majors, while NCSU’s high stats students are probably in eng’g…because the other high stats students are at UNC CH.</p>
<p>Nope, his math is absurd, and should disqualify him from either school. For those sums to be correct, EVERY SINGLE NC State student in the top quarter in math would have to be in the top quarter in English, and EVERY SINGLE Berkeley student in the the bottom quarter of math would have to also be in the bottom quarter of math. </p>
<p>In fact, if anything, a correlation in the opposite direction is more likely. People with low scores in one area at Berkeley are likely to be strong in other areas, or they wouldn’t have gotten in. Similarly, people with high scores in one area at NC State are unlikely be strong in every other area, or they would be at UNC. </p>
<p>But yes, surely there are is some level where it is true that a group at NC State has higher combined SAT scores (e.g. maybe top 10% is higher than bottom 10% at Berkeley). The significance of this is unclear. </p>
<p>Without looking at SAT scores at all, though, I can tell you there are, of course, many NC State students who are smarter than many Berkeley students. But what does this mean? Why would you interact only with the top students at NC State, but only the bottom students at Berkeley?</p>
<p>I don’t know why I can’t seem to find a way to quote, but…</p>
<p>NCSU’s high stats students are probably in eng’g…because the other high stats students are at UNC CH. </p>
<p>While it’s true that the engineering students at NCSU are likely to be “high stats” students, I disagree that “the other high stats students are at UNC CH”. There are other high quality programs at NCSU that draw high stat students who don’t care for UNC CH for a variety of reasons. My d is one of those “high stats” students who is choosing to apply to NCSU but not to UNC CH.</p>
<p>And while you are at it, you might consider the total number of top quartile students and Cal and compare that number to the total Frosh population at Harvard. (Hint: Cal has more top scorers than H.)</p>
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<p>Uh, no because I took Stats way back when. (Hint #2: look up Simpson’s Paradox – no, not Homer!) The only thing “the above” shows is that the top quartile of NC State Frosh has higher SAT scores than the bottom quartile at Cal. But that’s it.</p>
<p>If you want to argue “smarter”, then you’ll have to start adjusting for English as a Second language, low income, and the like; all of which, are a much higher proportion at UC. And according to Collegeboard’s own data, such students score lower on the SAT, particularly the CR.</p>
<p>My NCSU grad. S and his two roommates all had stats well above those quoted above. None of them majored in engineering. None of them applied to UNC-CH. Others from their h.s. got in UNC w/ lower scores than theirs. Every smart kid who grows up in NC does not dream of going to Chapel Hill. Just sayin’.</p>
<p>To be honest I’ve seen that posted on here many times and usually the people who do it are people who are trying to prove that UCB is better than any other “top” schools</p>