Best LAC for Foreign Language [east Asian and Slavic] / Linguistics

Wow! Thanks everyone! So many good suggestions. I didn’t expect this much of a response this quickly. So, if you have the time, here is a little more about my son.

He is a rising senior and has a unique story to tell as an applicant, which I think will help him compete with regard to some of the reach schools. Based on his academic record, Midd would be a reach and Mac would be a target. For the last 4 years, he has assumed he would be an Engineering/Computer Science Major. He does fine in the hard sciences but he has never shown true passion for those subjects. Like a lot of smartish boys, he has generally thought that engineering/tech was the route to a good job. A few months ago, he was diagnosed with ADHD and Autism Spectrum Disorder. I don’t like the Disorder part of that term as the Autism really is a superpower for him. The ADHD, however, was a real problem academically the last few years. But, his current ADHD treatment has had an amazing impact. So his grades are a little lower than what he probably deserves (still As and Bs and he is taking the hardest classes he can…5-6 AP/Dual Enrollment classes a year). So, academically he is good and has a good story about how and why his grades are heading in the right direction.

When he got the Autism diagnosis, everything changed for the better. He absolutely embraced the diagnosis. Over the last few months he has slowly come around to the idea that he doesn’t have to go the engineering route. I have, for a while, been gently encouraging him to study what he is passionate about. He is passionate about two things (both of which are Autism related). The first is learning languages on his own or from friends (so far, he is really quite good at Chinese, Korean, and Russian). He also did 3 years of French and 2 years of Latin in school which were very easy for him. He tends to learn languages “by ear,” and his ability to mimic pronunciation is as good as I have ever heard for a novice. I think those two things in particular go back to the Autism. We live in Charlottesville, and he plans to take Chinese or Korean at UVA in both the fall and spring of his Senior year. His other passion is Speed Cubing. He spends 40-50 hours every week, 52 weeks a year practicing/training. He goes to competitions all around the country (15-20 a year). We will visit Mac in July when we are in the Twin Cities for the National Championships. His specialty is blindfold, and he is quite good for his age–currently 60th in the country/300th in the world in that category (his best time is 31 seconds). Cubing is also obviously Autism related.

So as he applies to college in the fall he has an interesting story to tell about how he come to the point where he wants to dedicate his college experience to learning languages.

We have a very good understanding of both Linguistics and what I think of as a more “humanities based” or “traditional” perspective on learning languages. My daughter is at Swarthmore where she is double majoring in Linguistics and Comparative Literature. She is an incredibly strong language kid. But unlike my son, she is focused on languages that will allow her to study the literature she loves (classical/ medieval/renaissance). She is proficient/fluent in Latin, Greek, German, Olde English, and Spanish but her proficiency is more in reading/writing rather than speaking.

My son is completely different, and I think he needs a different kind of school. He wants to learn as many languages as he can, and he wants to speak all of them. He is less focused on intricate details of grammar and cares more about communicating. He basically wants to become as close to a polyglot as he can, and he wants to start with languages that are particularly relevant in the modern world. So, schools that are traditionally good in languages (say Swat and Midd) may not actually be a great fit for what he is most interested in with regard to how he approaches languages. He has a very modern view of things.

Everything that I have seen tells me that Mac is a perfect fit. I visited two years ago with my daughter, and we both loved it…but it wasn’t a perfect fit for her. Too modern facing (if that makes sense). For my son, though, I think it is a really nice match.

To some specific points…

We are also very familiar with Middlebury. My daughter will be doing the Spanish immersion program there this summer. He will visit in August and he definitely plans to apply there.

Korean looks like it is just not an option at LACs. I think that is ok…he really is quite good at picking things up on his own. Some of the summer options that have been mentioned here are also really great options for Korean. The NSLI-Y program just sounds amazing! Thank you @spoonbender for this. This summer is filled with Cubing competitions but we may target that for next summer.

I will check out St. Olaf and the California schools. Thanks again everyone. At this point and from what I have read we think Mac will be his ED1 choice. Best,

DHD

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So it’s not a LAC but UDel has the Three Foreign Languages major which I think is unique. It is 100% language acquisition without culture, linguistics, or area/history courses.

Even if UDel won’t work for him, perhaps you can use it as a model for a self designed major elsewhere?

1st Language - 24 credits
2nd Language -18 credits
3rd Language - 6 credits (elementary)

Other schools have two combined languages like Romance Languages at UMd. Again, as an example

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Using this source, I looked up the number of majors (first and second) in the class of 2022 for the following majors, as these would probably be the majors that would represent the main languages of interest (and colleges will classify by different titles, so I thought it best to be as inclusive as possible:

  • Russian Language & Literature
  • Russian Studies
  • Russian, Central European, East European, Slavic Studies
  • Slavic Languages, Literatures, & Linguistics
  • Slavic Studies
  • Chinese Language & Literature
  • Chinese Studies
  • Japanese Language & Literature
  • Japanese Studies
  • Korean Language & Literature
  • Korean Studies
  • East Asian Languages, Literature, & Linguistics, General
  • East Asian Languages, Literatures, and Linguistics, Other
  • East Asian Studies

Based solely on what you’ve shared so far, I’d have your son take a particularly good look at these schools as they all had students majoring in Russian AND either both Chinese and Japanese and/or a major starting in East Asian:

  • St. Olaf (MN)
  • Vassar (NY)
  • Middlebury (VT)
  • Oberlin (OH)
  • Colgate (NY)
  • Macalester (MN)
  • Kenyon (OH)
  • Brandeis (MA)
  • Wesleyan (CT)
  • Willamette (OR)
  • Connecticut College
  • Lawrence (WI)
  • Washington & Lee (VA)
  • Williams (MA)
  • Beloit (WI)
  • Trinity U. (TX)

Additionally, Macalester & Brandeis both have very popular linguistics majors.

Apart from Arcadia which had one student who majored in Korean Studies, I would look at the schools with majors starting with the words East Asian to see what kind of coursework they have available in Korean. And since no small colleges had students majoring in Slavic Languages or Slavic Studies, I have hidden those columns to make for easier viewing on this site. And am sharing the clips so one can have a better sense of which languages are being offered, but all the schools and their data will be shared in a table below for access for those using reading devices. Last note is that I excluded women’s colleges, as you’ve identified your son as a “he.”

Number of bachelors received (first or second major) in 2022:

School Russian Language & Literature Russian Studies Russian, Central European, East European, Slavic Studies Chinese Language & Literature Chinese Studies Japanese Language & Literature Japanese Studies Korean Language & Literature Korean Studies East Asian Languages, Literature, & Linguistics, General East Asian Languagses, Literatures, and Linguistics, Other East Asian Studies Total
St. Olaf 8 4 7 11 30
Vassar 7 10 6 23
Middlebury 2 3 5 8 4 22
Oberlin 3 2 12 17
U. of Puget Sound 11 5 16
College of the Holy Cross 9 6 15
Colgate 3 5 6 14
Macalester 3 4 7 14
Kenyon 4 4 5 13
U. of Richmond 3 9 1 13
Brandeis 2 9 11
North Central 1 8 2 11
Wesleyan 2 9 11
Willamette 1 3 7 11
Carthage 2 8 10
Connecticut College 4 6 10
Dickinson 7 3 10
Furman 5 5 10
DePauw 4 5 9
Lawrence 4 2 3 9
Union 4 5 9
Washington & Lee 4 5 9
Williams 3 4 2 9
Bates 5 3 8
Beloit 1 4 3 8
Calvin 4 4 8
Gettysburg 3 5 8
Gustavus Adolphus 1 7 8
Trinity U. 3 4 1 8
Bennington 2 5 7
Denison 7 7
Grinnell 3 4 7
Kalamazoo 7 7
Whitman 5 2 7
Hamilton 1 5 6
U. of the South 6 6
College of Wooster 1 4 5
Earlham 5 5
Messiah 5 5
U. of Mount Union 5 5
U. of Tulsa 2 3 5
Amherst 4 4
Carleton 1 2 1 4
Colby 2 2 4
Elizabethtown 4 4
Hope 1 3 4
Occidental 2 2 4
Rhodes 4 4
Swarthmore 1 2 1 4
U. of the Pacific 1 3 4
Austin 3 3
Bucknell 2 1 3
Hobart William Smith 3 3
Lafayette 3 3
Morehouse 3 3
Nazareth 3 3
Ohio Wesleyan 3 3
Pacific U. 3 3
Reed 3 3
Stetson 3 3
U. of Bridgeport 3 3
Wheaton (MA) 1 2 3
Adrian 2 2
Barnard 2 2
Bowdoin 2 2
Bryn Mawr 2 2
Colorado C. 2 2
Davidson 1 1 2
Eckerd 2 2
Guilford 2 2
Haverford 2 2
Muhlenberg 2 2
U. of Findlay 2 2
Valparaiso 2 2
Wheaton (IL) 2 2
Wittenberg 1 1 2
Arcadia 1 1
Cornell C. 1 1
Drew 1 1
Goucher 1 1
Illinois C. 1 1
John Carroll 1 1
Juniata 1 1
Northwest Nazarene 1 1
Pacific Lutheran 1 1
Pitzer 1 1
Pomona 1 1
Trinity C. 1 1
Ursinus 1 1
Wofford 1 1

And for smaller colleges with linguistics majors, here’s the data for you:

School # of Linguistics Majors in 2022
Macalester 20
Truman State 16
Brandeis 15
Reed 10
Pomona 10
Gordon 9
Carleton 9
Haverford 7
Bucknell 7
Swarthmore 6
Calvin 6
Union U. 5
Lawrence 4
Bennington 4
Seattle Pacific 3
Harvey Mudd 1
Hampshire 1
Earlham 1
Cornerstone 1
Carson-Newman 1
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Awesome, and I now have a very different perspective.

I think there is a limit to how much language study in classrooms is going to be important to your kid. I think Linguistics can still be interesting, but I think being in a place with lots of different languages actually being used by native speakers may be best.

Mac is still a possible option because the Twin Cities are very linguistically diverse, and it is right in the middle of all that.

But have you considered non-US schools? Like, my S24 considered an offer from St Andrews, and they draw an amazing diversity of people from all over the world. There is some of that at many US colleges, but I don’t think it is really the same.

If that is too much, what about targeting US colleges with really high international percentages? Like, Rochester is a great university to begin with, and then has really leaned into international recruiting.

Anyway, I just feel like you are on to something with the traditional language instructions being too limited for your kid, and these are some possible ways around that (with many more examples for each strategy available).

Edit: lists for reference:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/most-international

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges/most-international

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Because you were asking for a liberal arts college, I didn’t include Tufts, but it did make the list a number of times. BUT, your comments about your son make me think that Brandeis should definitely get a deeper look.

Brandeis undergrads can cross-register at Babson, Bentley, Wellesley, Olin, Boston College, BU, and Tufts (source). So the language offerings at the other schools (particularly Wellesley & Tufts) would be available, and he’d be in a bigger metro area where there would be opportunities to interact with native speakers of a whole bunch of different languages. Brandeis has around 3700 undergrads (so not exactly a LAC, but I thought it was close enough and definitely quite strong) that it should be considered. Tufts, for reference, has about 6800 undergrads so definitely not a huge school, but further away from what I’d consider a LAC. Of course, I’d highly recommend visiting both if you end up making a trip to the Boston area.

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One small school option for Chinese (presumably Mandarin dialect) is the Duke-Kunshan University (a partnership). At full capacity, Duke-Kunshan will have 500 students per class. Students are from 80 different countries–so lots of exposure to a variety of languages.

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Does he have any idea of how he wants to use language knowledge? For example, someone who knows many languages may use them in areas other than the obvious interpreter / translator type work. Examples:

  • History research: reading primary documents in various languages.
  • Other social science research: communicating with people in various languages.
  • Computer science: language translation software.

Depending on that, offerings of courses or majors in other areas may be worth looking into.

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Have you checked Brandeis? It offer linguistics I believe.

Also, the federal government should be noted as a significant employer of individuals with “critical language skills” in various roles. US government offers 3 years of non-competitive employment opportunities to program participants/graduates detailed below:

Here is the list of benefits to program participants (college credit is from Bryn Mawr) :

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I would add Haverford to the lists.

Bryn Mawr (historically a women’s college) is a Russian flagship and has a joint East Asian program with nearby co-Ed Haverford. The flagship is open to students at Swarthmore and Haverford also. it’s one of the few LACs that are designated a language flagship by the government. The flagship schools have serious opportunities including scholarships to travel post-graduation

“…The Language Flagship is a public/private partnership sponsored by the National Security Education Program (NSEP) of the Department of Defense and administered by the Institute of International Education (IIE)…”

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Macalester has been mentioned, and it is the immediate first response whenever anyone asks whether any LACs offer linguistics—their program is incredibly well regarded, as is Reed’s, Pomona’s, Brandeis’s, and Swarthmore’s. Unfortunately, those all tend to be, um, less than generous with merit aid, if that is an issue for the OP’s family. Also, being LACs, they don’t offer as wide a range of foreign languages as your average state flagship, simply because they have to be more targeted/limited in terms of faculty hiring than a larger college as a result of size.

One advantage all of those have, though, is that they’re all part of regional consortia. I haven’t looked to see what languages are available across all of the consortium colleges for each of them, but that may provide a wider range of languages. (Though the usual disclaimers about scheduling across different campuses being a bit painful apply.)

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Cross registration ease or difficulty can vary. If all of the colleges were co-located and had the same calendar, cross registration has fewer of those hurdles than if there was commuting involved, and the calendar was different.

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You son sounds like a really neat kid, and one whose distinctive qualities may be a breath of fresh air to weary AO’s :slight_smile:

A few thoughts:

  • Another approach to his desire to study abroad in Asia would be to do an AFS “super-senior” gap year. This can be a better experience than some college-level programs, because you’re more embedded in a community - living with a host family and attending a high school - whereas college students abroad often spend more time with their American cohort and don’t have a particular local community to embrace them. (Even those doing homestays often find, these days, that families have done this for the money and aren’t really that thrilled about it, whereas HS exchange hosts are genuinely interested in cultural exchange and building bonds.) Given your son’s upward grade trend, applying after his US senior year could make him a stronger applicant, both because of including his senior grades and because he could add more AP-level classes during the year abroad. He could also apply on the normal timeline, commit, and defer a year. Not saying he needs to do this, in terms of application strength, but if he’d value the experience, it could be a win-win.

  • Major or elective wise, linguistic anthropology could be another field that might appeal to him. I knew someone in this field whose research involved embedding himself in a communities with an under-studied language/dialect, becoming fluent, and becoming the expert in that language/dialect. Some schools offer a ling/anthro blended major, and it could be worth comparing that with straight-linguistics to see which focus he finds more compelling.

  • In terms of the Claremont Colleges… if Middlebury is too reachy, then Pomona probably is too, although he’s an interesting applicant who might have pleasant surprises in his results. (If Mac seems like an ED slam-dunk, but he finds that he’d actually prefer Pomona or Midd, he could always do a reachy ED1 and have Mac ED2 queued up.) Pitzer would be a little more attainable, and even though none of his languages of interest are offered at Pitzer specifically, it truly wouldn’t matter, as off-campus majors and cross-registration are just as easy as home-campus majors and registration at the 5C’s. He could do a linguistics or ling/anthro primary major at Pitzer, and add a modern language dual major or multiple minors through Pomona with no difficulty. While only Pomona students can live in Oldenborg housing groups, all 5C students can participate in the Language Tables program. Language Tables Frequently Asked Questions | Pomona College in Claremont, California - Pomona College He could also make an off-campus language major or dual-major (two languages) his primary and just minor in linguistics. The only thing he couldn’t do is base his linguistics major at Pomona; but the two ling departments are closely connected anyway.

  • @NiceUnparticularMan briefly mentioned University of Rochester vis-a-vis its large international population, but I think it deserves to be highlighted in terms of academic offerings as well. URoch has around 6800 undergrads - similar in size to the combined Claremont Consortium - so not a LAC experience, but still much more intimate than a large flagship, and as with the 5C’s, the additional critical mass means more breadth and depth in terms of course offerings. URoch offers majors in French, German, Italian, Japanese, Russian and Spanish, a minor in Chinese, and a “cluster” (which is like a mini-minor) in Korean… plus the Modern Languages department offers a Comparative Lit major that allows a spread of 2 or more languages. The Linguistics department offers a major, a minor, and multiple focused “clusters.” He might find that URoch’s flexible curriculum would work well for him, as Ling is in their social sciences division, while Modern Languages is in Humanities, so he’d only need a 3-course cluster in Science/Engineeering to cover all distribution requirements. (Easily covered by something like this Language & Cognition Cluster if he wanted to stay within his language-oriented wheelhouse.) Plus, as NiceUnparticularMan mentioned, there are many native speakers in his languages of interest in the international student population here (both undergrads and grad students). If he’s open to a mid-sized school, this could be a great one to consider.

Mac does seem like a great fit; I have a young relative there who is really loving it. Good luck with the process, and with the speed cubing endeavors! (If anyone reading hasn’t viewed the Speed Cubers documentary on Netflix, it’s worth a watch!)

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My senior has applied to this:

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This is, in fact, what I did as a PhD student and, coincidentally, in Slavic (I specialized in a small Slavic dialect spoken in a relatively remote region and currently falling out of use for a number of different reasons so I did a few things: documented the modern dialect, documented dialect change over the past 100 years or so by comparing old and new sources, then explored the dynamics that have led to internal linguistic changes as well as its decline in use and the complicated question of its social status and function and how that’s changed over time, so it also got into some sociolinguistics stuff). If this is a field of interest, happy to discuss it - it can definitely be fun work :slight_smile:

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Ah, now that you’ve gotten me to thinking about dialects, I wonder if your son is familiar with Harbin dialect and Chinese pidgin Russian. Might be of interest to him :slight_smile:

https://apics-online.info/surveys/65

There are a lot of interesting things right along the border there which might combine his interest in Slavic languages and Asian languages.

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Middlebury has an intensive summer immersion program in Korean. Might be something he can do regardless of where he ends up.

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Actually, Macalester does give merit aid to some applicants; I think it goes up to something like $25K in recent years. One thing I’m not sure about though, is how prevalent merit is with ED applications vs. EA applications vs. RD applications. I have heard rumors that schools can be less generous with merit for ED applicants (because they may not feel they need it to entice them), but I really don’t know if that’s true/how Mac does it.

I think Brandeis might do merit aid as well. I don’t think it’s available at Reed, Pomona or Swarthmore but I am not 100% sure.

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Fair. But to clarify, I don’t find $25k off of $79k to be generous.:money_with_wings:

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