<p>KG…I’m an ENFP, never really interested in “business” in college and for a few years thereafter, now presdient of a decent sized company. just never know…</p>
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<p>I have a hard time, personally, putting people into categories like this…and then getting jealous of one’s personality because of whatever the literature on these cookie cutter boxes personalities says. I’m sorry, but life is dynamic and people change, things change, jobs change, the world frickin changes. The formula for success is not the same for everybody, and there isn’t any one type of person that WILL be successful over others… to think like this is seriously debilitating.</p>
<p>I don’t get it, you’re predicting someone’s success in the business world based on some personality test?</p>
<p>I think these types of tests are useful in self-analyzing one’s personal style, with pluses & minuses relative to various types of management, but certainly not as predictors of business success or otherwise. Executive leadership training often has a Meyers-Briggs component, if for no other reason than to do some introspection, and to figure out a good route for success given a certain personality and career/job challenge or aspiration. I have seen successful business people with every kind of MB profile, but undoubtedly, there are MB types that “typically” do better with certain roles under certain conditions that other MB types. Plenty of opportunity for all MB types though IMHO.</p>
<p>Alrite i understand alotta the points your making Papa Chicken, and you they are making sense… but you being an ENFP, id b very surprised if the company you’re working for or President of is completely orthodox…also be aware that its possible the test may have mis typed you or w/ever…now this may not be the case…but the fact you “react” ( Introverted Feeling) inwardly as your dominant function makes it much more difficult for you to organize yourself into procedural thinking…thats also combined w/ the fact that your Intorverted Sensing is low…but since you have the Vision obviously that your company needs… eN, and im sure you possess tremendous skills…i guess maybe i should reconsider my previous statement…its a very interesting question… the only thing i question is whether you’re positive of your type…if you are…then im definately going to think about it a diff way…its just hard for P’s to motivate themselves outwardly…some of the most amazing kids i know underachieve in structured environments as P’s…thats y most of my Ap classes are filled w/ J’s… so mayb i should just be less definite about whod b good here or there… but its hard for me to say that there arent obvious distinct trends…i dont know…its very interesting</p>
<p>311 Griff…lol im not jealous of you bc of your “profile” …im jealous b/c i know like 6 ppl w/ your personality type and sometimes i wish i got more energy from other ppl … but i guess having dominant iN might in some ways be better than having eT be dominant…another interesting point to ponder</p>
<p>Why does this remind me of Horoscopic Astrology, as if some anecdote can predict your future</p>
<p>Very interesting, I got ENTJ as well. Definitley fits me.</p>
<p>KBall good points, let me comment on a few .</p>
<p>Company orthodoxy- well, Im in environmental consulting, a fairly new field, which is very people oriented, and our company is very open-book-management oriented. I guess one could say thats unorthodox compared to the standard manufacturing model, but Id also say there are plenty more out there that look like us. We tend to think we are fairly progressive in management style, and have a high degree of client & workforce retention.</p>
<p>Accuracy of the MB test on meI think I took the long version twice, both with the same result, perhaps 2 or 3 years apart. Results sure made sense to me. If anything, Id say I was probably more I than E as a younger man .late blossomer I guess youd say.</p>
<p>Ins & outs of vision, introverted Feeling, etc. honestly, I have forgotten most of the lingo, so I cant speak to your individual points, BUT heres how I related by MB testing to my management ascension …I knew well before I ever took any tests that I was limited in certain areas & excelled in others. Doesnt everyone? The MB helped define those better for me in the context of working as a manager & leader. Yes, I get bored easily with routine tasks, as my MB would tell you. But, thankfully, I have other good skills that allow me to build & adapt the organization around me to make up for my short-comings. There are plenty of folks I am surrounded by with a diversity of skills and pluses/minuses (and a diversity of MB types as well I presume), that are happy to do what I dont like to do. The power of knowing what you are good at & not (& MB helps with that IMO) is that one can still climb the ladder so to speak if one has the desire to be a leader or entrepreneur. BTW, you mentioned the difficulty for Ps to motivate themselves outwardly well, yes, Id say thats true in my case. BUT, I have it set up with routine meetings (which I cant avoid) where goals and achievements, including my own, are discussed & I become motivated by guilt to get out there .I purposefully did this to myself because I know thats one of my shortcomings …basically I designed a peer group pressure cooker for me to force me to do what I dont like to do, but it needs to get done.</p>
<p>So I guess what Im concluding here is that if theres enough positive talent in a person, and one can recognize short-comings & design around them, anything is possible, no matter what the MB classification is. I often marvel at how I got to where I am now .go figure! BTW, I have been blessed with much good fortune as well…right place at the right time & all of that.</p>
<p>My suggestion is to use the MB as a road map rather than as a crystal ball. Knowledge is power! especially if its about yourself.</p>
<p>btw, just made a visit to Davidson with my S & learned this…roomate matching is done with MB.</p>
<p>papa chicken…i think that your points are very accurate…and no personality typing is not like astrology (Ksanders)…</p>
<p>one thing that has to be acknowledged is the fact that we are all animals…we live off our emotions and have distinct patterns…thats all personality typing is…the fundamental patterns we follow…its no different than learning the fundamental principles in physics or chemistry… we’re just animals, and in order to survive as a species…we work in groups…and in order for us to perform well in these groups, we all have natural strengths and weaknesses…and we look towards our friends or mates or w/ever to fill these weaknesses…that is as plain as i can be</p>
<p>but yeah papachicken, im glad to see everything working out for you, and basically keep it up… and personally any school that does roommate matching w/ MB knows what they’re doing…it should be done for every school…</p>
<p>“btw, just made a visit to Davidson with my S & learned this…roomate matching is done with MB.”</p>
<p>I think that is unfortunate. One of the benefits of living/working with other people at college is learning how to deal with people despite differences. The Myers-Briggs is better used, IMHO, as a way to understand how to work/live with someone, rather than used as a way to filter and match roommates/coworkers.</p>
<p>“Why does this remind me of Horoscopic Astrology, as if some anecdote can predict your future”</p>
<p>They MBTI has some very valid (and empiracally supported) uses, but I have to agree–using it to predict future success is akin to and has about as much scientific validity as astrology.</p>
<p>“one thing that has to be acknowledged is the fact that we are all animals…we live off our emotions and have distinct patterns…thats all personality typing is…”</p>
<p>The MBTI does not measure emotions or behavior–just personality preferences.</p>
<p>“the fundamental patterns we follow…its no different than learning the fundamental principles in physics or chemistry…”</p>
<p>It’s very different, actually. </p>
<p>“…and in order for us to perform well in these groups, we all have natural strengths and weaknesses…and we look towards our friends or mates or w/ever to fill these weaknesses…that is as plain as i can be”</p>
<p>Again, you’re confusing what the MBTI measures–it just measures preferences and not strengths and weaknesses. </p>
<p>“…i know the principles governing people…”</p>
<p>If that were so, you would be a rather rich and well-published person. However, I have to stronly disagree with your presumed knowledge. Do you not think that if the Myers-Briggs framework were as valid as you believe it to be that it would be much more prevalent in the literature and used more in research?</p>
<p>ryambis first of all… it does measure strengths and weaknesses…</p>
<p>ENTJ
eT
iN
eS
iF</p>
<p>For this particular case… the ENTJ has a VERY difficult time expressing their emotions…every single ENTJ will admit to this…its how they work…they are stronger at thinking outwardly…if you cant see this than you must be blind…this is why it isnt used in research, bc ppl like you ryanbis obviously dont apply what you’ve learned , if you did you would understand everything that i am saying, grant it, the chemistry and physics analogy is off, i realized it after i put it in…but biologically speaking…everything i said before is completely accurate…i see it played out everyday by hundreds of ppl…</p>
<p>i just turned 18 by the way…tahts why i am not a “rather rich and well-published person”</p>
<p>Also, wehn you see relationships fail…almost always is it a problem w/ personality compatibility… its soo obvious to me how our frameworks work together, its a shame that not all of us can see it…and yet even fewer actually can apply it… this is just so annoying…the connections are so blatant…oh well …</p>
<p>lol its kinda funny cuz i mite be going to school in boston, Tufts, Bu, or BC…i hope everyone isnt as close minded as you ryanbis, obvioiusly thats a bit of a strong statement and i guess understandably you’re attacking my credibility… but look at what im saying and not my inexperience or whatever and you’ll see that it is all W/OUT A SOLITARY DOUBT…legitimate</p>
<p>“it does measure strengths and weaknesses…”</p>
<p>The MBTI measures PREFERENCES…just because your prefer sensing, for instance, does not mean your are not good at using intuition to learn about your environment.</p>
<p>“…this is why it isnt used in research, bc ppl like you ryanbis obviously dont apply what you’ve learned…”</p>
<p>Now, don’t you think that sounds a little silly?</p>
<p>“…everything i said before is completely accurate…”</p>
<p>Okay. So, I ask again–show me some scientific proof.</p>
<p>“Also, wehn you see relationships fail…almost always is it a problem w/ personality compatibility… its soo obvious to me how our frameworks work together, its a shame that not all of us can see it…and yet even fewer actually can apply it… this is just so annoying…the connections are so blatant…oh well …”</p>
<p>Which frameworks are you referring to when you say “our” frameworks? </p>
<p>You seem to believe that you have discovered some hidden gem that has escaped social scientists all this time, or that your understanding of human behavior somehow is far beyond that of those who regularly study it. Hopefully you’ll realize–sooner, rather than later–how incorrect you are.</p>
<p>“lol its kinda funny cuz i mite be going to school in boston, Tufts, Bu, or BC…i hope everyone isnt as close minded as you ryanbis, obvioiusly thats a bit of a strong statement and i guess understandably you’re attacking my credibility…”</p>
<p>I certainly don’t think that disagreeing with you makes me close minded. I am very open to things that are within reason or that are supported with some sort of evidence. I see lots of patterns in people’s behavior, too, but that doesn’t mean that I can predict it, make gross generalizations about them or give advice that is not backed up by some sort of evidence.</p>
<p>If you end up at BU’s SMG, I’m sure that you will have some very interesting conversations with the professors there. One of the freshman year section professors (the OB professor) wrote a book (which is used in the introductory course sequence…at least it was when I was a freshman) about using the Myers-Briggs in negotiations and the MBTI is used in the sophomore year organizational behavior course (the project teams are made so that everyone has a different MBTI type). They will all tell you, though, exactly what I’m telling you now.</p>
<p>“… but look at what im saying and not my inexperience or whatever and you’ll see that it is all W/OUT A SOLITARY DOUBT…legitimate…”</p>
<p>Legitimate based on what? Because it sounds right to you? Because it seems to represent reality based on what you see in your day to day life? That does not mean you’re correct for a variety of reasons. There’s a reason the scientific method was invented. History is full of situations where an idea sounded right and seemed to fit reality, only to later be disproven. If you truly understood psychology, you would know the dangers of trying to extrapolate and prove theories without some sort of study (including, but not limited to, blindsight, bias, sampling errors and lack of internal and external validity).</p>
<p>My Myers-Briggs assessment told me that I am a VERY STRONG IT with equal leanings towards the other four options… My most natural personality is ISTP, but I also have tendencies towards INTP, INTJ, and ISTJ.</p>
<p>Does anybody have a list of good careers for the following MB personality types:</p>
<p>INTJ, INTP, ISTJ</p>
<p>Please post if you have them, or know where to access such lists. Thanks.</p>
<p>ryanbis…obviously this ranting btwn you and me is pointless…i completely understand how i sound like some arrogant, naive, immature, close minded, high school kid with no real understanding of the big picture who thinks his ideas are right w/out any valid proof to back it up…nothing i say now will change that perception…if i had time to point my ideas in a long drawn out discussion you would be at least able to see my point of view…obviously this wont happen, so im done arguing b/c nothin is really coming out of it…</p>
<p>but BU is very high on my list and id love to engage in conversations w/ some of the professors…im also very happy that its a part of their curriculum…and im really glad you said this…ive heard a ton of great things about their bus program…so in that respect…thanks for that tid bit… also ryanbis…how was your overall experience at BU…were you happy you went there? and do you think you’ll be prepared career wise?
I’m very interested to know…thanks</p>
<p>umm 311 Griff…first of all theres two types of iT… INTP’s think inwardly while ISTJ’s and INTJ’s think outwardly…there is a definite difference…so i guess itd matter which one you were…</p>
<p>im an INTJ by the way… some attributes of mine
love open ended career opportunities
Big picture oriented
enjoy thinking abstractly
Love seeing systems
Love trying to understand ppl and relationships
very passionate about my future
Want to do Amazing things
Think outwardly</p>
<p>those are just me…tell me if you have any of those same attributes</p>
<p>Well my breakdown is (this is a rough guess, I may be off a little on EXACT numbers):</p>
<p>I–18 E–6
S–14 N–12
T–20 F–4
P–12 J–10</p>
<p>One attribute of mine, as an ISTP, is having great timing… A successful business person once told me, “Out of all the great talents a person can have for doing business, timing is the most important.”</p>
<p>thats interesting…ive seen istp’s do well w/ computers…other than that i dont konw much about them…</p>
<p>Heres an interesting article…i think it does a “decent” job…its a bit weak in its explanations but it gives the general idea…take a look…</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.leadershipadvantage.com/personalityTypesInLeaders.shtml[/url]”>http://www.leadershipadvantage.com/personalityTypesInLeaders.shtml</a></p>
<p>GO BU!!!..I CANT WAIT…visiting in a couple weeks…36k in grants = me being luck as hell</p>