<p>Guess you guys are private messaging because I’m just responding to what dennisman wrote here:
“what about schools with more avant-garde oriented and less tv/film industry typre programs?”</p>
<p>Avant-Garde just is hardly taught anymore. Doing stage craft would make him closer to a artisan level Renaissance man which is more related to the modern or postmodern Avant-Garde movement then Experimental Animation which is certainly not Avant-Garde these days. This person stated he wanted to do art, painting, exhibition design, photography plus film/tv production, sound, and lighting which is a different degree than Production, Studies, Media, Screenwriting, or Animation.</p>
<p>where did it say exhibition design? installation is not same as exhibition design.
did I miss something?</p>
<p>the denissman kid was asking about Cooper in other thread, I assume what he meant was “artsy-artsy” stuff.
I did internship at scenic shop before and totally utterly agree with your " employable skill" " Renaissance man" argument from this and other thread I read.
seeing those people knows what they are doing, how to utilize tools big and small, teamwork, never late or lazy, never eat nor drink near where their works are spread out, how they’d seal pigments and label everything, it was eye opening, astonishing, awe-inspiring after dealing at my theater day job so-called highly educated morons mess up simple tasks and blame everyone and everything else.
But
what I learned was that, the designer guy doodle few sketches and slap few swatches earn X 20 more per project than the very best craftsman who is in the business 30-plus years.
why? I wish I know.
my take is that, going to those hi-mighty school with hi-mighty connection while young and cute and formidable (on the surface at least) does something special to certain people that set them apart from the rest.
they don’t need to know how to count screws or prime wood. they know where to find people good at those things and how to make them happily work for them, then take all the credit.</p>
<p>It is nice to give advice to yougum’s and their proud parents according to your own experience, I do that all the time. but the world these kids are gonna face is never the same as yours have been.
I’m more interested in why you decided to go back to school after all these years, and what are you going to do from now?
what is your ultimate goal?</p>
<p>Well I did get paid much better setting up stages than I ever did as an artist. The trend I also see is more emphasis is on animation right now but artist/engineers are needed as well over the amount of people who entered production and studies. After looking at Ohlone’s flexible certificates I’m actually thinking of switching to there and do one or two of their certificates. I’m finishing up a photography degree at the college I’m at which helped me a lot in numerous useful scientific ways with additional artsy visual literacy and archiving/presentation knowledge. I’ve actually been in school full time 10 of the past 12 years and prior to that did a few years. The skill and set of classes I posted also transfer right over into becoming a Museum Technician. I realize theater or on location stage design is different from exhibit design but share many of the same principles.
Museums and media/entertainment companies like that I’m a ALA certified Library Technician and my Masters is going to be UCLA’s Film Librarian/Archivist program. I already identify, properly handle, preserve, archive, digitize, and do acquisition and cataloging of books, photos of all kind including earth and space, film stocks of all kinds, sound and video files. I can also do advanced earth and anthropological/archeological surveying and do the same with rocks, bones, trees, biological, urban planning, soils etc. so wouldn’t mind working in a Natural History Museum(of Anthropology) Library or Dept. of Interior and do 3D moldings/tourist exhibitions. </p>
<p>I’m hoping to do my Exhibit Design this winter but ultimately want to get a Museum Management certificate towards Curatorship. Management in general is boring to me so I’d much rather be a working independent artist. A Museum Tech with can make 5-6 and with welding and woodworking up to 8 grand a month full time. I wish I had done earlier on but should have taken some Interior (or even Stage!) Design classes since had done a lil on some sets and really liked it. I remember when I did riggin when I was younger I easily made 25-28 an hour and eventually 30-70 an hour. I still think it would be so cool to be the moving lights operator though even though isn’t my calling. I don’t care if people try and put down my pursuits but I do what I like and need to be constantly creating or learning something. These days the large entertainment corporations, the military, and the government pay me much better than any doctor or lawyer does.</p>
<p>Oh now I see who what why you are.
have you seen this?
the guy won big prize for his painting last year. this is his short bio. all he wanted to do was surf.
you never know, don’t give up art-art just yet. I think, things will change for the better for our kids, and you, too for years to come.
in fact, I am going Grand Rapids tonight to see what’s up, with reluctant kid in tow. maybe the last gift I could give him. he is 18, in sort of limbo.
life is tough but opportunities are endless when you are young and healthy as long as you want to lean and keep doing so.
good luck.</p>
<p>In 1966, at the age of five, Ran Ortner moved from San Francisco to rural Alaska. He and his family lived in an isolated log cabin, with no running water, a wood fire for heat and a grass airstrip for a driveway. To escape the brutal winters, Ran and his family would take their single engine Cessna “Ragwing” on 3-4 month adventures from Alaska to South America. On these expeditions, Ran would turn to the open expanse of sea to escape the confines of his unconventional childhood. When Ran was eighteen, he left home and began surfing the waves off the coasts of California and Mexico. While surfing he was able to consider both the wondrous and perilous conditions of life. Overwhelmed by what he saw and felt, he turned to art as a form of exploration. Ran has lived and worked in New York City since 1990, and he continues to surf.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=37662[/url]”>http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=37662</a></p>
<p>My mom didn’t want to live in SF so from 5-18 I lived and went to school in E. Cambridge MAss area. The thing is my parents valued education so held against me that I didn’t go to college right away. Instead I traveled all the way up and down the east coast also living a bunch of places around Florida and Louisiana plus DC, Philly, NYC, upstate NY, and Chicago. I then moved to Portland, Oregon then Seattle a lil while then lived in SF and greater bay area since 98, LA in 03, SB 06, now back to Palo Alto/Mt. View where I originally lived to work and go to college. I almost wished I started out in Pasadena but I still close to that that neck of the woods when move back to Santa Monica soon. It’s been a crazy ride here in California but I’ve met a lot of good people along the way.</p>
<p>Anyways, since people are looking at this for film major information I will compare SBCC’s film studies and production AA degrees.</p>
<p>Film Studies:
A.A. Degree: Film Studies
Department Requirements (33-34 units)
Required Core Classes and Electives (recommended
sequence)
Year 1 – Fall
FS 101 — Introduction to Film or…3
FS 101H — Introduction to Film, Honors…4
FS 104 — American Film to the 1960s…3
FS 110 — World Cinema to the 1960s…3
Year 1 – Spring
FS 107 — Contemporary American Film…3
FS 111 — Contemporary World Cinema…3
COMM 171 — Mass Media & Society…3
Year 2 – Fall
FS 116 — Gender & Sexuality in Film…3
FS 118 — Film Genres…3
FS 173 — Screenwriting I or…3
ENG 173 — Screenwriting I…3
Year 2 – Spring
FS 120 — Great Directors…3
*Elective…3
Film and Television 309
Santa Barbara City College Catalog 2009-2010
*Elective chosen from the following courses:
FP 185 — Directing for the Camera or…3
TA 185 — Directing for the Camera…3
FS 108A — Film Festival Studies: 10 Days…3
FS 109 — Film Criticism & Analysis…3
FS 113 — Experimental Film…3
FS 115 — The Vietnam War in Film…3
FS 119 — Introduction to Film Comedy…3
FS 121 — Documentary Film…3
FS 174 — Screenwriting II…3
TA 103 — Understanding Drama…3</p>
<p>and their AA in Film and Television Production Degree:</p>
<p>A.A. Degree: Film and Television Production
Department Requirements (33-34 units)
Required Core Classes and Electives
Year 1 – Fall
FS 101 — Introduction to Film or…3
FS 101H — Introduction to Film, Honors…4
FS 173 — Screenwriting I or…3
ENG 173 — Screenwriting I or…3
FP 102 — Writing for Television…3
FP 181 — Principles of Audio Production…3
Year 1 – Spring
FP 114 — Non-Linear Editing I…3
FP 170 — Cinematography I…3
FP 175 — Film & Video Production I…3
Year 2 – Fall
FP 185 — Directing for the Camera or…3
TA 185 — Directing for the Camera…3
*Elective…3
*Elective…3
Year 2 – Spring
FP 275 — Production II – Narrative Filmmaking…3
*Elective…3
*Elective chosen from the following courses:
FP 107 — Color Correction for Film & Video…3
FP 160 — Television Studio Production…3
FP 165 — Television Field Production…3
FP 177 — Motion Graphics I…3
FP 214 — Non-Linear Editing II…3
FP 218 — Acting for the Camera or…3
TA 218 — Acting for Camera…3
FP 270 — Cinematography II…3
FP 276 — Production II – Commercial Applications…3
FP 277 — Motion Graphics II…3
FP 178 — Production II – Documentary Filmmaking …3
FP 285 — Directing for the Camera II…3
FS 174 — Screenwriting II…3</p>
<p>as you can see it has level two classes plus stuff like color correction and experimental film.</p>
<p>Since I heard Dennisman mention he liked music (which is my main thing amd striving towards getting my music in film or do music for film) Ohlone’s Option 3 is:</p>
<p>OPTION 3: AUDIO TECHNICIAN
BRDC-132/MUS-113 Studio Recording 3
BRDC-142 Live TV Studio Production OR 3 TD-180 Make a Movie (3)
CS-152 Data Communications 2
MUS-112A ProTools 101 3
TD-161-164 Stagecraft Lab (Theatre, Television, Dance) 1-4
TD-175 Intermediate Sound for Stage, Television, and Live Events 3
TD-176 Digital Sound Editing for Stage and TV 3
TD-195A1-A3 Internship 1-3 19-24</p>