<p>I am looking at transferring next fall. I love college football and want to go to a school with a big time football program, but also one that is not consumed with Greek life, as that is just not my thing. Any suggestions?</p>
<p>UCLA is not that bad to be honest, compared to cross town rival USC.</p>
<p>Most football schools are going to have a “greek element” but that doesn’t mean that if you’re not Greek, you won’t have fun, like the school, have other activities, and enjoy your football team. </p>
<p>My kids go to a big-time football school which does have Greeks. My kids aren’t Greek and they still love it and have fun. </p>
<p>The only big football school that I can think of that doesn’t have Greeks is Notre Dame.</p>
<p>What is your home state?
What are your stats?
What is your budget?</p>
<p>I get that Greeks are just part of the deal and that’s fine. I’m just kind of tired of the whole clique thing right now, sorry. I guess what I’m really looking for is an open-minded campus, preferably not in a huge city. </p>
<p>I am from Texas and currently go to Stephen F. Austin State University. I have a 3.7 gpa through my first year. As far as budget, the cheaper the better, but as I will have knocked out 2 years fairly cheaply, I can probably wing a little cost. have looked at UT-Austin and Arkansas, as I can get in-state tuition at both. I really would like to go out of state, but I’m not sure I can afford it.</p>
<p>*As far as budget, the cheaper the better, but as I will have knocked out 2 years fairly cheaply, I can probably wing a little cost. have looked at UT-Austin and Arkansas, as I can get in-state tuition at both. I really would like to go out of state, but I’m not sure I can afford it. *</p>
<p>What do you mean by…“I can wing a little cost?” Most OOS schools with Big Football are going to cost at least $30k per year or more. How would you pay for that?</p>
<p>How much will your parents pay each year?</p>
<p>It sounds like UT, Tex A&M, UTEP, Tex Tech, or UArk might work for you cost-wise unless you have a good financial source.</p>
<p>Can you get instate at UArk as a transfer student??</p>
<p>Yes, I can get in-state at uark as a transfer. I doubt my parents will pay $30K. Is that really pretty much what I can expect at all big state schools?</p>
<p>Notre Dame has no greeks.</p>
<p>Michigan-Ann Arbor has as mall greek presence (less than 20% of undergrads).</p>
<p>I don’t think Greek Life is big at any Big 10 school to be honest and the majority of them have prominent football programs including Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin and Michigan State.</p>
<p>None of these schools are going to be affordable for the OP except for his own state schools, maybe UMinn, and maybe another football school that charges very little OOS costs.</p>
<p>I doubt my parents will pay $30K. Is that really pretty much what I can expect at all big state schools?</p>
<p>Yes…or MORE. </p>
<p>These are last year’s Cost of Attendance for an OOS student </p>
<p>$25,787, U MINNESOTA
$31,872, VIRGINIA TECH
$32,500, U ALABAMA
$33,750, AUBURN
$34,812, U IOWA
$35,029, U WISCONSIN
$36,210, OHIO STATE
$35,311, U N CAROLINA
$40,086, U GEORGIA
$36,977, RUTGERS
$34,696, TEXAS A&M
$34,922, U DELAWARE
$36,094, U FLORIDA
$32,752, U PITTSBURGH
$37,416, U MARYLAND
$36,985, U WASHINGTON
$37,548, CLEMSON
$36,848, PURDUE
$39,146, U CONNECTICUT
$38,120, GEORGIA TECH
$40,130, U ILLINOIS
$39,510, PENN STATE
$37,644, INDIANA U
$38,566, MICHIGAN ST
$48,041, UC IRVINE
$49,193, UCLA
$50,306, UC BERKELEY
$38,974, WILLIAM & MARY
$43,742, U TEXAS
$42,570, U VIRGINIA
$47,188, U MICHIGAN</p>
<p>Again…these are LAST YEAR’s costs. So this year is higher, and next year will be even higher. :(</p>
<p>So, instate at UT, A&M, Tex Tech, UTEP, UArk or another instate public with big football are really his only affordable options.</p>
<p>I think Clemson has a big enough greek life program that you’ll be annoyed by it if you don’t like that sort of stuff.</p>
<p>Wisconsin - big sports and less than 10% of the undergrads are Greek. They are important to those in them and really not to anyone else.</p>
<p>Folks…</p>
<p>the OP has indicated that he didn’t realize that OOS schools cost this much. He’s also indicated that his parents won’t pay for even the cheaper OOS schools with big football. So, these suggestions aren’t going to work for him, </p>
<p>*I doubt my parents will pay $30K. Is that really pretty much what I can expect at all big state schools? *</p>
<p>His instate big football schools and UArk are his best choices. If you know of another BIG football school that is likely priced around the cost of instate UArk or Texas schools, then those might work. The only other schools that might work is LSU or MissSt. None of the Big 10 or similar schools will work.</p>
<p>Does OK offer in-state rates for Texans?
UTEP is far from a big football program- and going there from SFA would be a bad move.</p>
<p>Seems like UT, A&M, Tech or Ark, OK are the options</p>
<p>Boston College has a great football team and is in an urban environment. Not fratty. Georgia Tech and Northwestern aren’t as good at football, but they are not fratty and are in large cities.</p>
<p>^^ and not affordable for the OP.</p>
<p>Arkansas is a little fratty-er than the Texas schools:</p>
<p>Arkansas: 17% in fraternities, 23% in sororities
Texas: 10% in fraternities, 12% in sororities
Texas A&M: 5% in fraternities, 12% in sororities
Texas Tech: 13% in fraternities, 18% in sororities</p>
<p>But FWIW, the Greek scene at Arkansas is nothing compared to some SEC schools.</p>
<p>Vanderbilt: 35% in fraternities, 50% in sororities
Ole Miss: 36% in fraternities, 34% in sororities</p>
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<p>The OOS price is right at Minnesota but I couldn’t recommend it as a football school. The Gophers are 1-3 in non-conference play and may go winless in the Big Ten. Nice new stadium, though.</p>
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<p>That would have been my intuition, too, but then I saw this:</p>
<p>Illinois: 51% of undergraduates are members of a fraternity, 49% of undergraduates are members of a sorority (as reported in US News 2011 online edition).</p>
<p>Is this a misprint, or is it really true that half the undergrads in Champaign-Urbana are Greek?</p>
<p>GT is a better football program than BC. Multiple NCs as recently as 1990 for instance. Also a public school for those who weren’t aware (apparently many aren’t).</p>
<p>I think the OPs premise is off because there’s not really a strong correlation between football school’s and fratasticness.</p>
<p>I don’t think Notre Dame has greek life. Though of course, their football program has been struggling recently</p>
<p>I think that’s a misprint, bclintonk. I’ve always heard UIUC Greek life to be more in the 10%-15% range. I do agree that from a Big 10 standpoint, it’s more that Greek life is important to those in it but doesn’t really affect those not in it – which is very different from a school in which it dominates the social scene.</p>