Biggest surprises about your MT program?

<p>EDIT…this post is in response to post 16 by MomCares and I cross posted with other posts which I will go read now. :)</p>

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<p>MomCares, it is hard for me to answer in a general way but I can only reflect upon my own child’s personal experiences in terms of your question. </p>

<p>As far as time during college…well, besides performing IN musicals in college, my D did some other things too. Trying to remember some of these as examples…Freshmen year, she was the accompanist to a student directed show, The Full Monty. Freshmen can’t be IN shows at her school and so she was able to fit this in as she wasn’t rehearsing as an actor at the time. She had studied piano from age 7 and so knew how to play before she entered college at age 16. Sophomore year…I recall she was the musical director for Into the Woods, a student run musical. Also, a professor at her school, who is a Tony nominated playwright/composer/director hired my D to musically direct the premiere of her new work in the the city, an oratorio. She was paid. Those two shows were productions she worked on that fall and so did not audition to be in a show herself that semester, though she was performing frequently with her a capella group. She also was the musical director and wrote original arrangements all four years of college for this a capella group, besides being a singer in the group. The summer after soph year, she was hired as accompanist for the pre-college program. The following three summers, she was hired by a professor to musically direct a show (and wrote for it too). Between all these shows,she also was cast as a performer in shows. </p>

<p>As far as composing, she is not trained as a composer. However, she is very knowledgeable about music (always has been) and I guess had a knack for it without formal training. She had taken a course at NYU in writing adaptations (I forget the name of the course) and for class, she did write a very short adaptation musical based on Lord of the Flies for a class project. The course was not in composing though. Also, in soph year, as part of being a Tisch Scholar, along with other Scholars, put on a show of different projects people did and she wrote a mini musical for it and so had that opportunity. I can’t recall how she fit that in but she did. Also, I recall around that point that two seniors (separate projects), asking her to write music for one show and arrangements for another…original shows those students created. She did this on the side. She is a busy kid, as she was also performing in musicals at the same time, and class homework/prep, and a capella group and competitions with them too.</p>

<p>Then, one reason (not the only reason), she auditioned to get into ETW studio at Tisch after five semesters in CAP21 studio, was she knew that ETW gives students a chance to create original works, called “independent projects” as seniors and she was interested in doing that before graduating college. She considered this to be her “senior thesis” even though her program doesn’t have theses. During fall of senior year, she wrote a musical, all while also being in an original play workshop with Moises Kaufman at ETW. So she was writing a show “on the side,” while still performing in shows at school. That final spring semester, her musical was produced at her studio. It was her first full original musical. In between all these things, she was in a mainstage musical as a lead, a faculty directed musical in Strasberg studio, a student directing project musical as a lead in Playwrights Horizons studio, and whatever else I am forgetting. </p>

<p>She also has always loved music that is not just MT and so got into singer/songwriter material and has been writing and performing her own songs and kept booking gigs in venues in NYC of her own, with all original material and so the seeds were planted for that as she stayed on in NYC after graduating. </p>

<p>That’s how it all happened during college but it all continued after college. People hired her to accompany and musically direct, teach, coach, etc., all jobs she took to earn money while pursuing life as a performer.</p>

<p>As far as the original musical she wrote during senior year, she has been driven to see how far it can go and she has been very involved in rewrites and the summer after graduation, she put the musical on as a concert at Joe’s Pub in NYC. I don’t wish to be more specific after that, but generally speaking, it was then selected to be workshopped by a significant entity last June, had an excerpt in a festival for the industry and was offered representation by a theater literary agent and has had interest in this musical from producers from all over. She then was offered to have an Equity showcase production at an Off Off Broadway theater, where it is playing right now, and she is a lead in her own musical, as well as the writer/composer/lyricist. Where it goes from here, who knows, but it all began while she was a college student due to opportunities she had while at Tisch. </p>

<p>So, it wasn’t the curriculum so much at Tisch as the opportunities that were available, the networking with faculty and other peers, my daughter’s own drive and ambition to pursue these varied interests and so on. And many paying jobs since graduation that she does as her survival jobs, all in MT, are ones that have been handed to her, that she never applied to due to people knowing her, including being hired in about six different professional capacities at both Tisch and CAP21 since graduating. The pay for these professional jobs is good and are all in the field and have some flexibility (not full time) to allow her to be in shows and pursue performing and also the development of her own musical. Also, the network of peers has been huge as she is hired by peers to be in their concerts (she also hires them) and one thing often leads to another such as being asked to be in a staged reading or this or that due to networking and not even auditioning. When she graduated, she was not new to NYC and so already had quite a network of faculty, alum, peers and so on in the industry. She also has peers who do recordings and so she has hired people to record her original EP. She has peers who are now directors too. She also gets her friends jobs when she either can’t do a job she is offered and recommends them or she is on a project and suggests talented peers to fill other positions. A lot of work she has done has been through networking and it is not all through her applying for jobs or auditioning. Many jobs she is just given and offered. I would say a lot of what she does is through networking, though not everything…such as she was cast on a national tour right after graduation and that was not networking (though it was through an agent submission and she got the agent through her showcase). </p>

<p>So, that is one picture of how some of these other areas began during college and continued afterward, but were not in lieu of performing in musicals or training, but in addition to. It is a very busy life. They are young and her schedule boggles my mind. Truthfully, her life even in high school was an intense schedule 7 days per week. Then, in her BFA program, it was incredibly full day and night all seven days. Now, I would say that the 1 1/2 year or so since graduating, she has structured her life almost as if she is still a student and it is jam packed and she creates a list of goals and projects to work on and basically “assigns” herself work. She is very driven and doesn’t wait for things to come to her. I was thinking about this the other day that it is sorta like still being in school but she is now in charge of her own schedule and assignments. Just the last three days, for example…Monday, all day performing in a new musical staged reading for the industry, followed by four hours Monday night teaching the music to the BFA students for the musical she is directing; Tuesday, agent submitted audition, followed by four hours rehearsal for the musical she is directing and mixed into both yesterday and today, she was composing spec songs for a proposed new musical that a Broadway producer asked her to write, and also went to a voice lesson today and then tonight is performing a lead role in her original musical which is playing in NYC right now. Whew. I think that the BFA training and schedule was good prep for this kind of life that still continues to be jam packed. But some kids thrive on this. When my D came home for a visit over the holidays, she gave herself homework in her room for many hours per day to work (was doing rewrites for her musical) and said she is not comfortable not being productive!! But I see many of her peers who are like this since graduating too. Very busy and their intense schedules have continued even though their BFA programs are over. I know for my kid, she is not sitting around waiting to be cast. She is involved in many jobs and productions and performances and aspects of music and theater and is happy to just be working in her field and she enjoys all these facets. She is not waitressing (nothing wrong with that though), and likely never will. While she loves performing in musicals, she is equally happy pursuing contemporary music as a singer/songwriter, and also pursuing the development of her original musical. By trying her hand in various arenas, hopefully she’ll find some success and not wait for it doing one thing only. </p>

<p>One other thing I forgot to mention is that sometimes these seeds were planted long before college. Looking back to elementary school, my D was exempt from spelling classes and instead was allowed to do an independent study and wrote a 90 page musical (this was fourth grade) under the supervision of the principal, though she did not write out the score in musical notation, but wrote the script and lyrics and composed tunes. In high school, she wrote original musical cabaret revues that had a story line, but the songs were NOT original but she was constructing shows and musically directing and choreographing them. And so it is kind of a natural progression that she composed an original musical in college, even though she does not have formal training as a composer or playwright. </p>

<p>Hope this anecdotal stuff gives you a picture of what you were asking about.</p>

<p>Darren Criss who did the Harry Potter musical was an MT (he was roommates with my D’s very close pal who was an MT too who is now on Broadway).</p>

<p>MT kids at UMich are definitely in some of the student run productions.</p>

<p>Darren Criss was actually an actor, not an MT. But he hung out with the MT’s a lot :)</p>

<p>Oops, I stand corrected on Darren! My mix up was his rooming with D’s pal who was an MT and figured they were MT’s together. :smiley: My niece is a senior in the BFA Acting program at UMichigan and so I should have known, but am glad you corrected that. Darren is meeting with great success. Of note to those reading here is that many students who pursue Acting degrees are very skilled at MT and singing. Darren is a great example and I know a lot of acting students at Tisch were very talented MT people and so an acting degree can still be an avenue to pursuing MT (if you are talented in singing). I read that Darren, by the way, is getting an album with the Warblers (who are really the Tufts Beezelbubs…who are from my alma mater). I love such success stories as Darren’s.</p>

<p>Wow! Soozievt – I’m so impressed that you can keep track of all of your D’s activities, not to mention AMAZED that she can fit them all in to 24-hour days!</p>

<p>Your post makes me wonder if some kids are surprised to find that there are other kids as driven and energetic as they are once they get to college. I can’t imagine that your D knew many people who could keep up with her in high school!</p>

<p>Fitting everything in…well, some kids thrive on being busy. I think MT kids are often like this (but my other kid is equally like this). </p>

<p>On the second point…I think when one gets to college and if they have chosen a college due to “fit” and the level of the college and in this case, their program also within the college, is on their level, they will find “their people.” Back home, my D was a leader. Yeah, she likely stood out. In college, there are lots of people like herself. Surely, many talented kids! Also, many leader types and driven types. She loves being immersed in such an environment and while she had a great childhood, she couldn’t wait to get to college and be in that type of environment (so much so that she entered college early). </p>

<p>To be honest with ya, my kid who is not pursuing MT, also found “her people” in college. Both my kids enjoyed their home friends but I must admit, their college friends as an overall group are a more challenging bunch that they have lots in common with. I’ll just say that their home friends are different than their college friends and they likely fit in more with their college (or grad school) friends, but it wasn’t like it was a problem growing up here with more of a range of kids. But if you are a very strong student, and in this case, a MT artist, it surely is stimulating in college to be with other very strong students, as well as with those who share your passion. It is one of the significant aspects of college, besides learning from professors. My kids really wanted to attend selective schools to be challenged by other motivated type learners. While it may have been fun to be big fish in the small pond here where we live (and they were), it is more stimulating to them to be among lots of smart and talented people who are driven and motivated and crave challenges. That is why “fit” in choosing a college is important. Everyone wants different things. My kids wanted what I just wrote. </p>

<p>In any case, I can’t impress upon those who are seeking BFA programs enough, that these are very intense programs with very hectic schedules and are not for all people. It requires a certain work ethic and motivation, not just talent. The schedules are mind boggling. Yes, my kid made it even more intense as she opted to participate in so many things that she was going round the clock but really would have it no other way. As a parent, I will mention that we feel our kids got everything they could out of their college experiences, which makes us happy to be paying it off for years to come. We were willing to send them anywhere they wanted and believed they would make the most of it and they did. That was worth the money. </p>

<p>I think when your D (who sounds talented and accomplished) gets to NU, she will find like minded peers that will be stimulating and she will be busy round the clock too. If she thrives on that, then she is gonna have a ball at her school.</p>

<p>Remember that this busy life is not drudgery when they love what they are doing. For my kid, theater/music are so much the core of her being,that I can’t imagine her life doing anything else. It’s more than a job…it is a deep love and desire to do it. It doesn’t get much better than that. Also, my MT D’s friends (after HS) are all in this field in some capacity and so even working can entail fun being with friends in some of her jobs. Fun and work mesh together. She also fits in having a boyfriend (who is also an actor). Add to that, the fun of being in NYC, a place she has wanted to be her whole life. It’s a busy life but one she enjoys. It does make me tired thinking about it but I’m not 22 like she is! :D</p>

<p>Yup, D is one of those driven kids who really dislikes a moment of free time, go figure! And I’ve already seen signs of her gravitating toward like-minded people, as most of her very favorite people she’s met at MT summer programs, doing regional theatre and at YoungArts – probably the beginnings of her “college” theatre friends. Hearing of your D’s exploits make mine sound almost lethargic by comparison, though!</p>

<p>I wonder if our parents had this much fun watching us growing up?</p>

<p>MomCares - I know one of the great opportunities my D has been given is the chance to create and direct (as well as perform in) a freshman showcase. Early on in the fall she mentioned that she wished there was a freshman showcase. So the head of the department told her to go create one - and she did! Another freshman is the musical director, another is stage managing. Any freshman who wants to perform can do so. She is having to deal with lots of logistics - finding and booking the space, asking for financial support from the student theatre group, creating the publciity materials, securing the accompanist. etc. I know the musical director is hard at work on the production as well. She is hoping to stage manage a show next year. I know she wants to write a show - she has one “in her head” - and will hopefully do so in collaboration with some of the other students. You have all that creative energy all in one place. So many wonderful things can happen!</p>

<p>So exciting, and it speaks well of the program that folks encouraged her to make the freshman showcase a reality!!</p>

<p>I wonder if it surprises kids to discover all of these “extra” creative opportunities once they arrive in a program, or did they know these options were out there before arriving?</p>

<p>Re: post 27…my D also went to a summer MT program (in her case for 8 summers) prior to college and so she had this type of immersion with like minded peers every summer and so when she got to college it was more of that but year round, and also independent. </p>

<p>Re: post 28, that is great that your D organized the freshmen showcase. It is a lot of work to deal with logistics and all the facets of a production. My daughter did this in high school and they had never had a student run production there. It was a ton of work but inspired other students to do it after she graduated. In college, being involved in student run projects was so much work, managing every logistical piece. In the past year, (out of college) since others have produced my D’s musical, one thing she has been thrilled about is that OTHERS now have taken over producing and managing every aspect and she just gets to create. I recall last June when this happened and she was just in heaven that finally others were in charge (and paid) to handle all the facets she used to juggle on her own. Also, it is so nice that others are paying for it all too. This is one thing different than when in college and handling it all. She says she doesn’t miss having to be the one who handled numerous tasks to put on a show. But those were great learning experiences in college to get to this point!</p>

<p>Re: post 29…I think my D knew of some of these options before going to college. She knew there were a capella groups. She knew there were student run productions. Other opportunities she discovered once she connected with others and was there for a bit. For example, she would never have known she’d be doing ETW studio when she entered as a freshmen in CAP21. Some things evolved. But some things she knew she wanted to do in college and set out to do them. But like anything, one thing can lead to another. And you also meet people once you get to college and so not everything is known ahead of time but I would imagine if your D explored her college enough to commit to applying ED, she must have looked into various opportunities offered at that school to see if they meshed with things she was hoping to do in college. Some opportunities my D would never have known in advance such as a faculty member hiring her to musically direct several works for her or another faculty member who is a jazz singer, hiring her to perform her compositions in Germany last summer. Many things arise when you get to college that you can’t predict in advance! Through my D’s college, or through being hired by faculty, she got to travel to Brazil, Germany, and Abu Dhabi. I could not have known that ahead of time! Through her a capella group, she got to perform at Lincoln Center and some other well known NYC venues. Could not have predicted that in advance. College is an adventure and your D will love it.</p>

<p>I have heard for years that UMich typically does not take MT students from their own state. Does anyone here know if that is just “sour grapes” from those that don’t get picked or if that is a trend?</p>

<p>I think they do take students from Michigan for MT at UMich. </p>

<p>Maybe what people mean is that for this specialized degree program, a significant percentage of students are from out of state compared to the percentage of OOS students at the university at large, being a state U.</p>

<p>Just as an example, if you go to some Facebook groups for MT classes at UM, and click on various members, several have Michigan hometowns and high schools.</p>

<p>Although these are not in connection with what we’re talking about, here are my two biggest surprises (or at least what first came to my head).</p>

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<li><p>How much work is involved OUTSIDE of the classroom. I sort of expected that I would be training so hard during my class time that I wouldn’t have much homework, but that is certainly not the case. What we do in the studio is obviously very important, but the true test of your dedication comes down to your work outside of what’s required. If I’m not in class or rehearsal, I’m doing homework (often for my theatre classes!), reading plays, in the practice rooms for both voice and piano, in the dance studio, or occasionally napping. I know that everyone’s aware how busy the life of an MT is, but I personally wasn’t expecting all of the opportunities that are readily available if you choose to take them outside of the classroom and “mainstage” shows. </p></li>
<li><p>This is less about MT programs and more relevant to college in general, but I am very surprised as to how much freshman year changes people. Most people grow from high school students into mature (for the most part) adults, but people fall thru the cracks and turn into someone completely different than who I met at orientation. Some of these changes are seen by the faculty and affect their performance in the department (such as drinking to access) but some are just personality changes that are smaller and mess with friendships. Yes, a lot of times people transfers schools in order to get “better” training, but I’m sure all schools lose people to the temptations of the partying college life. I thought if you wanted BFA professional program you wouldn’t allow yourself to go too crazy and have it interfere with your performance and standing in the department, but it does and probably will happen to some degree everywhere.</p></li>
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<p>Just my 2 cents for now!</p>

<p>Thanks, AlexaMT!</p>

<p>I hadn’t thought if this, but I can definitely imagine some MT kids cutting loose once they leave home. For starters, many of these are very big personalities who are no doubt the life of any party they grace! In addition, many of these kids have been scheduled to within an inch of their lives at home – between rehearsals, dance and voice classes and homework. No doubt some percentage are just ready to go WILD when no one is enforcing their tough schedule. Plus I’m sure to some it feels like at long last they are among like-minded people, which might free them to really step out – in some cases to excess.</p>

<p>Such a shame, but I guess losing some to the party scene is inevitable.</p>

<p>I’ve also seen some of the big changes (for better AND not so much) among D’s friends going off to college (not just for MT) over the past couple years. As you say, some grow up, and others seems to grow in odd directions.</p>

<p>Thanks AlexaMT. </p>

<p>@ MomCares - I too am surprised about one of D’s former friends who is MAJORLY talented (especially singing) who we all thought would really “go somewhere” . . . she has gotten into the whole party scene (drugs too! Sad!). Never really thought she was such a follower - but thinking on it, she really has been sheltered and all have catered to her - she’s really never had to “take care of business” herself. Makes me really sad. I hope she can find her way back. </p>

<p>On the other hand, it makes me feel as if my daughter will be okay in her life - regardless of how this whole MT thing pans out. She’s a good person, a leader, and has her head on straight. Has she made mistakes? Of course, but she figures out how to make things right and moves on. So proud of her.</p>

<p>I feel confident that D will make the transition to more independence successfully, but I guess we can’t know until we know.</p>

<p>I’m sure there are plenty of surprises in store for them in their future MT programs… and I suppose it’s reasonable to assume that some of those surprises may be internal as well.</p>

<p>Has anyone had surprises not directly related to the MT program, but rather to the school that houses it - beyond the partying issue? Any surprises related to academics, school location or general campus culture?</p>

<p>For example, D’s school posts a letter to families basically warning them that while almost every accepted kid will have been in the top 1% of their high school class, they need to prepare for the fact that on this campus 50% of them will, through no fault of their own, move to the bottom 50% of the class. I can imagine that being a huge shock to the system even if you’ve been warned to anticipate it – but since 97% of their students graduate I guess it must not be a show-stopper (maybe the school does a great job of reinforcing the fact that this is totally normal?).</p>

<p>Conversely, we know several kids who went to very rigorous high schools (D didn’t) who arrive in BFA programs and are surprised by the LACK of academic rigor in the school where they’ve landed.</p>

<p>Any experiences with campus-related surprises?</p>

<p>My D has been at different schools and I think that her biggest surprise was that at one, there were ‘favorites’ just like she had experienced at college… it was a small school and if you weren’t on the ‘it’ list, you got almost NO performance time. She still is in contact with some kids who stayed and they were only in ensembles their senior year. And as I said, this school was small had had few Blackbox shows…</p>

<p>snoggie- just out of curiosity, which program was that? I’m more interested in the fact that there were few Blackbox shows than the favoritism, since I’m sure most of the programs have “favorites” that are generally cast again and again.</p>

<p>We’ve talked to several people who were surprised when they enrolled in $40k/year top-end BFA MT programs with very small class sizes who have been essentially spear carriers in all productions since. </p>

<p>I don’t want to name names, but I’m guessing this could happen anywhere as there are no guarantees of being cast, even after having survived the grueling college audition process.</p>