<p>Doesn’t it seem like the Muslim community could greatly help themselves here by appearing in the media loudly condemning these acts? </p>
<p>I think the Muslim community could use some good public relations folks.</p>
<p>most of the Muslim community doesn’t trust the American media due to the certain problems it already has :/</p>
<p>@ stressedouttt…I don’t trust the vast majority of the American media either for what that is worth</p>
<p>glad to see the discussion about labels. I was pondering what bothered me most about the discussion on Fareed Zakaria where they explored how our country may need to help Muslims assimilate so they don’t feel alienated. This discussion was in reference to the bombers, my choice of how to label them, based on their actions. </p>
<p>I realized what disturbed me was they were discussing this as if all Muslims, if alienated in the U.S. would potentially be radicalized. I don’t agree with this, and think it is insulting to Muslims. It’s like the argument after the Steubenville rape, that we needed to teach our boys not to rape. Just like most boys/men would never even think of raping, most Muslims would never think of committing violence. We know people of all races/religions are capable of terroristic actions. </p>
<p>That said we also need to not be afraid to identify when an event/act does in fact seem to be influenced by religious extremism. But when we do we are identifying religious extremism, not religion. We should respect all religions equally, while also being willing to recognize political/religious extremism when it rears it’s very ugly head.</p>
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<p>Um. They do. The main-stream mega media just chooses not to continuously cover it. </p>
<p>I see it on the local news all the time. And it editorials. And in articles that don’t make the front page.</p>
<p>There have been several articles from Muslim leaders condemning this violence in the conservative media.</p>
<p>" There have been several articles from Muslim leaders condemning this violence in the conservative media. "</p>
<p>Conservative media outlets are the only ones I look to …everything else is fluffy reality television and print. </p>
<p>It’s downright shameful what the MSM ignores or perpetuates…I see more and more folks jumping ship from once trusted news sources</p>
<p>A least one Boston cleric said he would refuse to perform funeral rites for a man accused of committing so much violence. The Quran, said Imam Talal Eid, says that anyone who has killed another human being is going to hell.</p>
<p>Eid, who is imam at the Boston Islamic Institute, said he had never met the Tsarnaev brothers but questioned media accounts that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had become a devout Muslim.</p>
<p>“A person who is devoted does not kill innocent people,” Eid said.</p>
<p>[Imam:</a> I wouldn?t give Boston suspect last rites ? CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs](<a href=“http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/21/imam-i-wouldnt-give-boston-suspect-last-rites/]Imam:”>http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/21/imam-i-wouldnt-give-boston-suspect-last-rites/)</p>
<p>Now this thread has taken a smarter turn. Interesting.
The issue, as it is now turning, isn’t so much whether we can or cannot justify labels, but this venue, where we don’t have each other’s vocal nuances, facial expressions- nor the immediate chance to verbally react or send physical cues that prompt the other to clarify.</p>
<p>So, we should be careful. If you don’t quite mean what you write, the impression is up for grabs. In a quick-running dinner conversation, we communicate less rigidly.</p>
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<p>I like this quote.</p>
<p>Sounds like a great quote to me too, but Islamic terrorists don’t consider infidels to be innocent.</p>
<p>Kumbaya and carry on</p>
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<p>Just got back from Boston.</p>
<p>There was a big backup on Storrow Drive East. Garmin put us on some nice back roads to avoid it. There were backups on Cambridge St. There were kids with Boston Bruins signs and people with Bruins shirts walking near the Garden. 93 South into the city was backed up, probably because of the Bruins game. The tunnel to Logan was backed up - they closed off the right lane early in the afternoon for construction that is going to start around 10 or 11 PM. Why couldn’t they block the lane off at 9 PM? Oh well, that’s Boston.</p>
<p>The circus is back at Government Center and the street artists were doing their thing at Faneuil Hall. The Greek Place is hiring for the summer if there are locals looking for work.</p>
<p>The electronic billboards leading out of Boston replaced the wanted messages with a thank-you to law enforcement. Boston is getting back to normal.</p>
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<p>Your patience is nothing short of amazing.</p>
<p>People refuse to see that 1 + 1 = 2.</p>
<p>I am as concerned as the next guy about various groups that seem to condone violence. Or offshoots or individuals that find ways to justify it. I, too, noticed that at least one was a supposedly practicing Muslim. I agree with the president’s broad use of the term terrorism. But I have trouble connecting all the dots so early.</p>
<p>At this point, with the inaccuracies of the recent reporting, I guess I throw the baby out with the bath water, I suspend belief and disbelief and wait for the flow of info that seems based less on speculation and more on analysis as enough facts emerge to paint a fuller picture.</p>
<p>One example: the reports now say “one student” claims to have seen the younger at a college party. One? I can’t make the leap to believe (yet) that this is definitive. Nothing about other kids being interviewed or confirming. If I missed some news, let me know. But I do see how many have repeated how offensive it is that he partied, before this is established.</p>
<p>It turns out I know someone deeply affected by this incident. The lesson hits home about our fragility. We have to recognize that this isn’t over. We all must remain both commmitted to our ideals and vigilant. Part of the system, so to say, to make it work. Hatred and finger-pointing won’t build our national and cultural strength- and security- any more than cheering joyously in the streets and heading off to the Sox game.</p>
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<p>I believe that most of us would welcome additional analyses and more releases of facts. I also believe that some of us did, in fact, question the latency in disclosing relevant information by the authorities. As an example, the information culled and shared by BCEagle and Interesteddad allowed anyone to play with google maps to identify the route taken by the younger brother. When I wrote my first post on this issue, I had not seen any disclosure of the address and location of the abandoned car, nor much of anything about how the suspect 2 had vanished in the night. And I did listen to the lengthy interview of Deveau given to Wolf Blitzer. One might have expected the Chief to share something about what happen to the SUV, but he focused on other matters. </p>
<p>Further, if the police might have valid reason to leave some important facts unaddressed until official reports are issued, the press does not have any of those reasons. CNN presented a massive map of the area and gleefully explained how the masterplan of flushing out the suspect had worked. Amazing technology! But what was blatantly absent of the map? Location of the gun battle and location of the SUV in relation to the boat location. Are we really forced to accept that CNN did not have access to the information presented by IDad and BCE? That would be surprising for an outfit that covered the bombing around the clock, and finds great pride in disclosing an “exlusive” finf of a terrorist video on the dead brother’s facebook! Great job, Sherlock! </p>
<p>Regarding the sensitivity of the police operations, we all understand that there is no need to broadcast everything. We do get that, but can we safely assume that little more will be disclosed about the SUV location, and that CNN will thumb its nose at the type of data exposed by mere citizens who listened to a police blog and used google maps. </p>
<p>I would be pleasantly surprised if any of the media members pushes the envelope a bit farther than joining the congratulatory and backslapping parade. I am not holding my bated breath, but I am happy to give them several days. </p>
<p>See ya’ll in a few days. </p>
<p>PS Thanks to BCE and Idad for the location information and the maps.</p>
<p>Are we allowed to post links? There are some videos of how some police chose to handle the house searches and the stripping of a civilian out in view for all to see. But my fave is the view of the FBI agent climbing over a fence with the gate next to it open - lol.</p>
<p>^ Xiggi, f you are at all asking if I believe the relevant details will come from mainstream media, my first reaction would be to scoff. They were a bunch of jokers. (Oops, no chance to read my face.) I think it will take a long time to figure out, we’ll be piecing it together- and, yes, I hope BCE, IDad and others will continue to offer directions to explore.</p>
<p>There is validity in the info from BCE and IDad. I haven’t had a chance to get through the whole scanner bit, was out most of the day. Went through Boston mid-morning and it was business as usual. Appreciate the map links and will look at those. </p>
<p>I am well aware that BCE’s 1+1=2 could turn out to be right, in some way, to some degree. But also aware that our access to info today can mislead us. And yes, Deveaux, for all his genuine-seemingness, did some mighty spin.</p>
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<p>“UMass would only confirm that Tsarnaev was on the campus Wednesday, according to card swipes. Tsarnaev visited the gym and slept in his dorm room Wednesday, according to the school.”</p>
<p>[Umass</a> Dartmouth Friend: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev ‘Acted Like Nothing Happened’ Day After Marathon - ABC News](<a href=“Dzhokhar Tsarnaev 'Acted Like Nothing Happened' Day After Marathon, Friend Says - ABC News”>Dzhokhar Tsarnaev 'Acted Like Nothing Happened' Day After Marathon, Friend Says - ABC News)</p>
<p>He was on campus, went to the gym and slept in his dorm room. Did he party? It seems that he was a party-person according to several sources. I don’t know if it really matters to me whether he partied or not. That he was able to go back to school and go to the gym and act normal is abnormal in my book.</p>
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<p>Yes, subject to a few rules which I think are in the top-level directory of every forum.</p>
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<p>Idad has a way of doing analytics that can buck the conventional wisdom. The most obvious of these in CC is in his work on how bad the USDA Food Pyramid is and how the focus on more carbohydrates has resulted in our obesity problem. He put his money and food where his mouth is and lost 95 pounds. I followed his example and lost a bit less than 75. We’re all exercising too but we’ve learned that a calorie is not a calorie and that a lot of stuff that we’ve been told for decades is wrong. Fat is not the enemy!</p>
<p>I would like to add my thanks to all those contributing to this thread. I find the discussion interesting and civil and have learned quite a bit. It amazes me that the info from this thread often beat the media reports and has much more validity at times than any network. Thank you for sharing your varied opinions.</p>