<p>If that clip is from the Mike Huckabee show it is maddening. He has no clue what he’s talking about and this goes on for an hour. No wonder people are confused. OMG!</p>
<p>The Long Island hairdresser/nursing home owner, too. She’s on a press tour. She is hopeful and ready. Right.</p>
<p>I was referring to the response by Father Jonathan Morris.</p>
<p>I watched it. Very clear. Gosh, this case is awful. So much confusion and denial.</p>
<p>The response by the priest echoes what we’ve been saying here: it’s a sad case, but when every doctor who examines the child agrees that she is dead, she is dead. Religion’s role is to help the family deal with their terrible loss.</p>
<p>Yes, the priest was very clear and made so much sense. I think he did say that clergy should be involved to help the family but I would guess that has already been in place.</p>
<p>Yes, when everyone agrees someone is dead, the role should then move to dealing with helping a family deal with their loss.</p>
<p>This is a terrible personal family tragedy that sadly has become public. As I physician , I believe the reason for this ( and I suppose this is obvious in many ways) is a complete and thorough breakdown in trust and communication between family and caregivers. Horrendously, daily, children are declared brain dead and we never hear about it. The relationship one builds with families during the entire scope of a patient’s care is critical in many ways, but especially so when an unexpected outcome occurs. Ensuring that patients and families are well informed ( personally I have seen many bad outcomes from supposed " routine" tonsillectomies", so I am especially wary of this procedure) is paramount. Delivering bad news is not easy , but I believe there are right ways and wrong ways of doing this…(I suppose that is the “art” part of medicine) …much compassion, patience , respect, and complete transparency are required.
I guess it is possible that all of these things were “done right” and this is a unique family, but I have my doubts…Yes, this was a shockingly unexpected outcome for this family, but this is a daily occurrence in medicine , and yet it does not make national news .
My heart aches for this family, I hope they can find peace.
My condolences to jandjdad</p>
<p>My bet is that all of these things were done right and that this is a family that just wasn’t going to process or accept it. There are always those types.</p>
<p>This is a “unique” case because we have already heard about it, even before any malpractice suit has even been started. The main issue hasn’t even really gotten to potential malpractice yet (where relationships with doctors, nurses, etc. would seem to be more relevant). The family (their lawyer) is arguing Jahi is not dead. That is certainly unique in and of itself.</p>
<p>“Zoosermom - really??? (And I was called insensitive earlier in this thread!)”
Am I the only one who has actually read what others have posted on,this thread? The quotation marks didn’t clue you in that I was quoting another poster?</p>
<p>For the people bothered by the presence of a lawyer for the family, what rights would you waive in a life and death situation in order to please popular opinion?</p>
<p>I’d waive the right to have a lawyer file suit to keep my dead child on a ventilator, for a start.</p>
<p>But maybe that’s not a fair answer, because I’d waive that right no matter what public opinion was.</p>
<p>If someone thinks they need/want a lawyer, I have no problem with it. Dolan seems rather opportunistic (I may be wrong) and would not be my cup of tea but who a family decides to deal with is none of my business.</p>
<p>If it turns out that something untoward, as yet unknown, occurred in the hospital, will anyone feel differently? I actually don’t think that was the case, but some things that looked totally cut and dried before the facts were known turned out to be totally different than had been expected.</p>
<p>Cardinal Fang, they initially filed suit to determine in accordance with California law that their daughter was actually dead.</p>
<p>I see any potential malpractice issues as a totally different issue. We will have to wait and see on that if/when it gets to that and more facts come out. Not at all related to how I feel about the idea of the lawyer and family advocating keeping Jahi on a ventilator .</p>
<p>I don’t agree with the decision at this point, but I respect the court’s order giving them until Tuesday.</p>
<p>"it turns out that something untoward, as yet unknown, occurred in the hospital, will anyone feel differently? "</p>
<p>About what? Whether malpractice occurred, or this was simply one of those things where everything was done right and crap happened, is an entirely separate matter. I have no problem with them investigating for malpractice. That’s an entirely different matter. </p>
<p>This life-support (unfortunate name in this case) issue that we have been discussing, IMO, has nothing to do with the precipitating cause of death (the surgery, a car accident, a preexisting disease, etc.).</p>
<p>Okay, could one of you who understands the medical side of things help me out, please? The family is saying that Jahi’s heart is beating, she’s regulating her own body temperature, her kidneys are functioning, etc., etc. I don’t understand. First, I thought that temperature regulation ceases when there’s no longer any brain function. But, more to the point, if the ventilator is just moving air in and out of her lungs, what’s keeping her heart beating and her organs functioning? Sorry, I’m probably missing something obvious, but if you could explain (slowly, using simple words :)), I’d appreciate it.</p>
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<p>Here’s a pretty simplified explanation. Once again, the family is stretching the truth. Jahi is not regulating her temperature, etc. The hospital staff, drugs, machines, etc. are keeping the heart beating, temperature level, kidneys functioning, etc.</p>
<p>I’m sorry if this has been addressed but is there any way for her to completely “die” (by the family’s definition) while on the “lifesupport” (whatever the better phrase is)? By that I mean her heart to stop beating, chest to stop rising, etc, or will it continue indefinitely?</p>