<p>I can’t open the link but the headline is certainly no surprise. The very detailed account of how things had already deteriorated was from January 3rd and Jahi was not moved out of the hospital until last night, so even more deterioration would have taken place.</p>
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<p>I wonder what he thinks science says about when life begins.</p>
<p>Not sure if this is the same link…
<a href=“Jahi McMath: Family says brain-dead teen’s body may be too deteriorated to save – The Mercury News”>Jahi McMath: Family says brain-dead teen’s body may be too deteriorated to save – The Mercury News;
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<p>Make it? Make what, exactly?</p>
<p>“we don’t know if she’s going to make it”
How absurd can you get.</p>
<p>^I don’t suppose they could convince the parents that if she “somehow” regained consciousness at this moment she would be in excruciating, unbearable, unrelenting pain?</p>
<p>Personally, I’m glad to know that this situation has a finite and near term end approaching. This can’t go on for long.</p>
<p>I don’t know. I just hope this ends sooner rather than later. I understand that the parents are heartbroken and don’t want to trust doctors. They want their daughter to be alive and suddenly wake up. I guess I kind of understand their viewpoint. According to doctors, I’ve been dead twice. If my parents would have given up, I would not be here today.</p>
<p>Was reading some of the comments after an NBC online story and one person shared the experience of what happened to her mom after she’d been declared brain dead:
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<p>[Case</a> of Jahi McMath raises questions about life after brain death - U.S. News](<a href=“U.S. News: Latest Breaking Stories, Video, and Photos on American Politics, Economy, and Society | NBC News”>U.S. News: Latest Breaking Stories, Video, and Photos on American Politics, Economy, and Society | NBC News)</p>
<p>When I worked in hospice, one of the most difficult things we had to help families with was a patient’s right to refuse sustenance. The kinds of tube feedings or intravenous feedings her mom and the attorney are talking about are likely to only speed up the deterioration of the body because it is being forced to process something it cannot handle. Obviously if someone is likely to recover from an illness, but needs nourishment, these kinds of feedings are necessary, but for someone whose body is shutting down, they only cause more problems. I’m sure this has been explained to them, and yes, while Jahi is already dead and feedings won’t cause any more suffering, they are likely to add to the complications that her body is already experiencing - the deterioration of major organs that cannot function for extended periods without brain function. Can you imagine if her digestive system is already deteriorating to the point of descriptions mentioned earlier in this thread, what will happen to it, when it is given more processing work to do with tube feedings?</p>
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<a href=“http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_24853880/jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-girl-moved-undisclosed-care[/url]”>http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_24853880/jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-girl-moved-undisclosed-care</a></p>
<p>On that other forum, someone posted that Sealey (the uncle) is a Scientific and Clinical Recruiter for a staffing company. Shouldn’t he know better?</p>
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<p>Sometimes a professional (and others) have to tell people things that they don’t want to hear. In this case, we know what that is obviously but the lawyer appears to be giving false hope and just extending this circus. Some are enjoying their 15 minutes of fame, some are being exploited and this poor girl, whose life and quality of life ended when her brain died should be allowed to die finally with some shred of dignity.
What should be a family decision made with all the facts and once they are fully informed has morphed into a battle played out in the media, the courts, the court of public opinion by everyone with a political agenda. Some with a microphone do more harm than good, such as Mike Huckabee whose recent show lumped coma, persistent vegetative state and brain dead together further muddying the waters. He prefaced it by saying that he wasn’t a neurologist. True, but you have an obligation to NOT give misinformation…or at least not speak on a subject if you haven’t a clue.
Rant over, back to work…</p>
<p>"When I worked in hospice, one of the most difficult things we had to help families with was a patient’s right to refuse sustenance. The kinds of tube feedings or intravenous feedings her mom and the attorney are talking about are likely to only speed up the deterioration of the body because it is being forced to process something it cannot handle. "</p>
<p>What level of medical expertise / training / certification is required to deliver tube or IV feedings? Would anyone who is licensed or certified to do this actually administer this? My fear here is that the family is doing it all themselves with limited skills, and bumbling it all and making things worse. </p>
<p>Everyone has sympathy for the family. Right now I have sympathy for Jahi. A lovely little girl deserves to have her body treated respectfully and left in peace, not poked at by amateurs while it declines.</p>
<p>The kinds of tube feedings or intravenous feedings her mom and the attorney are talking about are likely to only speed up the deterioration of the body because it is being forced to process something it cannot handle</p>
<p>When my mom had her most serious stroke and it was so damaging that she was not going to recover, we were told the same thing. That if a feeding tube continued to provide “nourishment” then her body wouldn’t process the food and she’d become bloated and have other issues. </p>
<p>I can’t help but think that time is going to help bring this family out of denial.</p>
<p>>>>“Right now, we don’t know if she’s going to make it,” said attorney Christopher Dolan. <<<</p>
<p>Oh good heavens. Do they actually believe that this young girl could EVER be what she once was? or even close???</p>
<p>Kluge, let’s say the heart stops beating. Should they still be allowed to, oh I don’t know, give her antibiotics or tube feeding or whatever? Do you think there is ANY point in which the state needs to say “dead is dead”?</p>
<p>Jandjdad, I cannot imagine how heart wrenching it is for you to participate in this discussion. Again please accept my sympathies.</p>
<p>Articles have said that (and I am paraphrasing) her body has “medical issues” that contraindicate insertion of a feeding tube, so she is continuing to be nourished via IV. I also read that back in Nov. prior to all this, the uncle signed with a casting agency (that somehow wasn’t surprising either), I also read (did not and will not watch) that Nancy Grace pulled ter typical garbage and lambasted the hospital. What ever happened to unbiased reporting? This cirus needs to stop and let this poor girl have some dignity in death.</p>
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<p>Know better? He seems to have a very good idea what he’s doing. He’s a recruiter –> salesman. Just because he’s recruiting clinical staff doesn’t mean he has to have a sophisticated understanding of what they do. He just needs to close the deal! All this PR will probably do wonders for his stat’s.</p>
<p>He knows plenty. He is dumb like a fox.</p>
<p>jym, I posted the uncle’s linkedin profile in #1417 if you want to look at it. As I said then ,both the uncle and lawyer are smart guys. I find it very hard to believe that they do not know full well that Jahi is dead. They have had access to all the info , including the Pediatric ICU doctor’s detailed account of the deterioration. It is mind boggling that they are still perpetuating this illusion of life.</p>
<p>While the atty may be considered “just doing his job”, he comes across like a total sleazeball, so is not doing himself any favors. As for the uncle being the spokesperson, mom is with Jahi (and stepdad is travelling to join them, location unclear but some are guessing Arizona) and he’s been the mouthpiece and apparently was the one who first contacted this lawyer (apparently according to a previous teleconference, he called many, but this guy is the one who took his call).</p>
<p>I thought this was a commentary piece that some people might find of interest.
[Blacks</a> Don’t Trust End-of-Life Decisions - The Root](<a href=“http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/01/blacks_don_t_trust_end_of_life_decisions.html]Blacks”>http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/01/blacks_don_t_trust_end_of_life_decisions.html)</p>