<p>PG - You are assuming that happened. Call me a skeptic. Respectfully, of course.</p>
<p>Oh, dear. That’s not going to end well. Her body apparently doesn’t have a working digestive system, so trying to put food in it is not going to have good results.</p>
<p>And here I was hoping that her mother was beginning to accept that she was gone.</p>
<p>I was wondering the same thing, Pizzagirl. What ethical physician would put a feeding tube in a dead person. It really is horrifying. And yes, actingmt, I am skeptical too that this really happened ( at least HOPE this really did not happen).</p>
<p>Ending well was a dream along time ago. Unfortunately.</p>
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<p>Of course. This is where I start to think - are the grandmother / aunt, with limited nursing knowledge, poking around and inserting things in and just muddling along, with good intentions but not having the faintest idea of what are the proper medical things to do in this case? I mean, if you handed <em>me</em> an IV and asked me to start a line, I suppose I could jab it in a person repeatedly until it stuck, but that’s doesn’t mean I’m qualified to do so. I sort of envision the same concept occurring here.</p>
<p>I think that if they actually did insert a trach and g-tube, they were done properly by licensed professionals. We’ve seen that though they are in the minority, there are actual medical professionals who believe that brain dead is not dead. Consider Dr. Paul Byrne, who told the family that their daughter was still alive, responding to voices, and who has also maintained that he knows of other “brain dead” patients who have fully recovered. There are bound to be others with the same extreme views who believe that the family has the right to do this and who were willing to step up and help.</p>
<p>It’s also a little hard to believe (understatement) the whole clan just up and moved to an undisclosed location with a dead body and plan to camp out there until they get a miracle. Actually, it’s hard to believe they don’t know this is precisely what’s happening given the reported condition of the body. No words.</p>
<p>Am I right that she can’t digest anymore, Nrdsb4?</p>
<p>Yes, according to the doctor’s report on Jan.3, Jahi has not had bowel sounds in 2 weeks. She has been sloughing bowel lining. There is little doubt that tube feedings will have some pretty awful results.</p>
<p>Uhm, Angela Clemente describes herself as an investigative forensic analyst. </p>
<p>This is all so far beyond absurd. imho.</p>
<p>[Family</a> of brain-dead teen Jahi McMath wants privacy, lawyer says - CNN.com](<a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/08/health/jahi-mcmath-update/]Family”>http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/08/health/jahi-mcmath-update/)</p>
<p>The media circus is winding down. The actual circus, of course, continues…</p>
<p>So why would a medical professional do this knowing the results were going to be bad? And I can’t imagine their malpractice insurance covers them if the McMath family turns on them.</p>
<p>Okay, now Dolan is declining to say if she is or isn’t in a facility. Interesting.</p>
<p>If you’re used to attending funerals at which people shovel dirt onto their loved ones, it seems normal and respectful. If you’re not used to it, it seems awful, just as an open coffin seems awful if you’re not used to it. There really is no objective standard for any of these things, no matter how somebody explains it to you.</p>
<p>Edited to respond to the following:
The rabbi did explain it, and every single person present at the graveside participated. I respect others’ customs, so I did as well. And they certainly did shovel the dirt in. Mourners were instructed to use the back of the shovel at first, to show reluctance, but most of the people then turned the shovel around and added one or two (or more) shovelfuls. This included my friend’s widower and her two sons, and her brothers. This is a custom I just don’t like, just as I don’t like open coffins–which is the custom for my own family. Whether I like it or not isn’t relevant to people for whom it’s traditional, of course.</p>
<p>Some interesting comments to actingmt’s link, one of which talks about the health issues Jahi had, some of which have been mentioned here. However, one health issue that I’ve not seen mentioned on CC, but now makes complete sense, is that she was also diabetic. Now, this comes from a commenter, so take it with a grain of salt; but I’ll bet somewhere in some court document or in some interview, someone mentioned that she was also diabetic (again, forgive me if it’s been mentioned on CC; I don’t remember seeing it brought up by anyone). If so, that would add one more dimension to the argument that is was just a routine tonsillectomy. (I assume if she was obese, she also probably had high blood pressure, although I haven’t seen that mentioned anywhere)</p>
<p>Chris Dolan from the CNN article linked above:
I’m sorry, if he’s suggesting she may not have been transferred from OCH to another facility where would she be?!</p>
<p>Regarding the Instagram listed above, I looked at it and clicked on Briazaires name and on her page there was a link to the “gofundme” page. People are still donating to this craziness!</p>
<p>One of the donors is Tina Phifer who says she went thru something similar…not quite. Just shows what type of people are donating. Here is what I found when I googled Tina and NY…
[PHIFER</a> v. CITY OF NEW YORK, Docket No.?01-7131., April 19, 2002 - US 2nd Circuit | FindLaw](<a href=“http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1411921.html]PHIFER”>http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1411921.html)</p>
<p>She was trying to remove her daughter from treatment and was charged with neglect. </p>
<p>If some of the signs of the body breaking down are visual, or “smell able” then the family must be delusional.</p>
<p>Terri - It was far from a routine tonsillectomy. She had 3 procedures and additional tissue removal. She had sleep apnea. The diabetes and a hereditary bleeding disorder are still rumors. But not routine by any definition.</p>
<p>Of course, she still shouldn’t have bled out and died.</p>
<p>And, they probably shouldn’t have left the hospital with a deceased child and hit the talk show circuit but maybe that’s just me. idk.</p>
<p>Hunt,As described by others, it doesn’t sound awful at all. It is when you say “people shovel dirt onto their love ones” that it makes it sound awful (and I know that is not your intention). My MIL and FIL were cremated but both my parents had open caskets. But the caskets were closed before the service began. And I did not kiss either or really touch their bare skin after they were embalmed. I was present when both my mother and MIL were pronounced dead and did touch both of them while waiting for the funeral home people to arrive to get them. It took about 2 hours from time of death until they were taken away and we did sit with the hospice nurse and the bodies during that time. That was certainly interesting. I was raised a Methodist and open caskets during visiting hours/viewing seem pretty common, at least around where I grew up. In my old suburban small town, the main Protestant funeral home was on one side of the street and the main Catholic one was on the other. Same with the cemeteries.</p>
<p>Someone on my nursing forum posted this. The alleged “cousin” has the same last name as the grandmother. </p>
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<p>It is a comment by a cousin who states that “I pray every day that my fam’s (especially her mom’s) hearts mend and start a healing process.” </p>
<p>Also, “if there was someone in my family that could get her to let go, it woulda happened by now.”</p>