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Garland, if you can’t seperate the FSU approach to honoring the Seminole tribe & their eagerness to use the mascot as both a tribute & an educational opportunity from a pejorative term like redskin, then there can be no discussion with you. You’ve closed your mind, obviously.</p>
<p>if there were members of the illini tribe that could collect money from licensed products, then this probably wouldn’t be an issue.</p>
<p>The animals are next. Surely PETA and others will start petitioning to get rid of the animal school mascots because these are somehow disrespectful. Goodbye Wolverine. Goodbye Badger. Goodbye Wildcat. Etc. The big decision will be to see if the Banana Slug survives. Eventually the schools will all be known by their color (Crimson, Cardinal, Big Green) which all sound incredibly weak. But at least no one’s feelings will be hurt.</p>
<p>Great to see.</p>
<p>After all, W&M got nailed for having <em>shock</em> feathers in their logo, despite never beeing on the NCAA’s hit list and submitting a voluntary report. If we get crapped on for feathers, this is the least that should happen.</p>
<p>Now about them 'noles.</p>
<p>As one who thinks that PC’ness has gone too far in many instances my reaction to this is a big yawn.</p>
<p>Um, SS, did I somehow miss a discussion of the Seminole exception prior to my post??? I’ll look back again------nope, still don’t see it. Not sure what it has to do with this discussion. The 'Noles get a pass because their use has been sanctioned by the actual Seminoles. Didn’t happen with Illiniwek. Or the Braves, or the Redskins. How was I possibly equating them?</p>
<p>“Now that is a valid comparison you tradition killing <curse word=”" deleted=“”>"</curse></p>
<p>Fine, let’s use that comparison. If they changed the name of the show, I’d say, “Darnit, that’s foolish,” and go about my business as an enthusiastic alum of the show.</p>
<p>Even if they changed the name of my UNIVERSITY for a silly reason I don’t think it would make me that mad.</p>
<p>I just don’t see why this is important enough to turn loyal alumni into haters.</p>
<p>Why are those state universities named after states when the state only provides 7% of the operating budgets? Can’t they find a corporation that would like the honor? Penn State is silly when it could be “Quaker State”. Michigan State is even sillier, when it could be “Ford State”.</p>
<p>Unintended consequences: I fear the next generation will have no knowledge at all of Native American people (aka “Indians”). There is no Native American History month. If we purge all popular culture of any reference to these tribes will the next generation grow up with no impression (even an exaggerated stereotype) at all of Native American people? I was raised on the Lone Ranger and Tonto and countless Western themed movies and TV shows. Our youngest children won’t even be able to ask the question, “What the heck is a ‘Fighting Illini’ anyway?”</p>
<p>So we really want future generations to continue to view minorities only in terms of their negative stereotypes? Negative knowledge is better than no knowledge? And this progresses humankind how? This is exactly why some of us “extremists” think these silly (yawn!) issues are important. </p>
<p>For future generations to know what the heck a “Fighting Illini” is, imo, about as important as knowing who Mrs. Cleaver is (especially if you include minority generations in that group) if the answer to the first is only that it is a skinny white boy running around a football field in a buckskin with paint on his face and feathers in his hair who can only speak in broken English (“how!”)…</p>
<p>bty, look at how many women CHANGE their names each year…why are the same people up in arms about them NOT changing their names?</p>
<p>Good grief, mini. Keep your voice down. If corporate america hears you there will be no end to it. Quaker State…doesn’t sound half bad…shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.</p>
<p>There is no point in even arguing with scansmom, citygirlsmom, or northstarmom (notice a theme here) about anything such as this, because we are at such polar opposites it not even funny. We will just end with I am right, thread locked.</p>
<p>Well since this IS a parent’s forum, it should not be TOO much of a surprise that many of us are parents! As for you and me, joev, we probably are polar opposites. I like to think of myself as open minded. How about you?</p>
<p>It’s about time they got rid of that “mascot”.</p>
<p>Wrong–November is Native American Heritage Month:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.ihs.gov/PublicAffairs/Heritage/06EventsCalendar.cfm[/url]”>http://www.ihs.gov/PublicAffairs/Heritage/06EventsCalendar.cfm</a></p>
<p>Leave June Cleaver out of it!,…</p>
<p>Penn State----> Quaker State? Won’t work. The Quakers of the University of Pennsylvania, already touchy about confusion between themselves and PSU, might be offended.</p>
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<p>hey, wouldn’t “Beaver” Cleaver be offended? I mean, c’mon, his given name is Theodore…</p>
<p>233…plenty of quakers to go around. Quaker Oil State, Quaker Oatmeal State, Quaker Chemical State. Hey, for those in the know, Wa Wa State University. Point is, as usual, money talks. Sorry for getting off topic.</p>
<p>those were the good old days before people got offended,…ask wally and lumpy and whitey,…june, she was wise to eddie and yet still polite. I would have throttled him many times for being such a creep.</p>