And this claim is based on…
@fractalmstr, in theory, the UK will have more control. In practice, the EU has far more leverage over the UK than the UK has over the EU.
@GMTplus7, Singapore was able to thrive as a trade depot and offshore money laundering (ahem banking) center for SE Asian elites. The UK is too big for that model to work, and in any case, Luxembourg (inside the EU) and Switzerland (outside) are already entrenched in that market.
So at least I get to benefit from pound crashing. Have to send 12GBP for my share of flower arrangements for a friend’s brothers funeral. Lousy reason but I’ll enjoy the few bucks I’m saving.
@TomSrOfBoston, Norway has a ton of oil and a small population. Switzerland has a bunch of high-value industries (pharma, finance, luxury goods) and an educated workforce. The UK has the City but also a vast post-industrial hinterland with too many people without the right skills.
At no point did I say that. My comment was in response to GMTplus7, who wrote:
I humbly submit that if the people making their choice for sovereignty and economic reasons voted Remain by a margin of 2 to 1, the groups voting to leave may have been swayed by other considerations. I further submit that this is another argument in favor of more accessible university education.
I’m sympathetic to those who lose their jobs. However, here in the US we have a long history of blaming the (Irish/Germans/Jews/Italians/Mexicans) for displacing native-born American workers, and history doesn’t smile on our treatment of the first four groups. It turns out, in many cases, the answer wasn’t to expel the (insert target group of choice); it was to get the country’s workers into school, giving them more skills and making it far harder to replace them in a heartbeat.
Now the UK will go to the bargaining table in, an attempt to protect its exports to a market including half a billion consumer and some of the world’s wealthiest countries, and that’ll likely require giving in to any number of EU conditions - including the free movement of labor and a wide variety of regulations. The alternative is long-term economic harm. Either way, England has surrendered its influence on any new EU rules and may have set in motion the breakup of its union with Scotland and Ireland.
No, they did not.
This really sounds familiar.
Of course Jews are responsible for Brexit. Who had any doubts?
I guess the immigrants who flock to the UK from other EU countries with high unemployment rates didn’t get the memo…
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/07/daily-chart-europes-long-term-unemployed
I worded that unclearly. I should have prefaced my statement with: “In the LEAVE camp…”
At no point did I say this.
Wikipedia is Wikipedia, but in this case sums the situation up quite nicely. Note: The Balfour Declaration declared British support for a Jewish homeland in the territory now home to Israel/Palestine.
Let’s look across the Channel.
For those posters who believe the UK will be a loser in this divorce, **what do you think Brexit will mean for the remaining EU countries? **Are they winners or even bigger losers?
It seems to me that those who are surmising that Parliament may not end up carrying out the will of the British as expressed by the Brexit vote (#20) share some similarities with those voters in the US who believe that a certain presidential candidate won’t possibly try to carry out all of the “reforms” that he has proposed. Casting one’s vote is a serious business, with huge consequences.
Yep, it is @MidwestDad3 . I seriously doubt that Parliament will ignore the will of the people. Nope, the Brexiters wil get the independence they think they wanted, and then they’ll have to live with the consequences which they chose to ignore. It’s already dawning on them how much funding they’ll lose, and they’re turning in panic to London. Sorry. Maybe they shouldn’t have been so quick to ignore the much-loathed “experts,” who it turns out, sometimes know what they’re talking about.
" we thank Mama Merkel for this outcome?"
I have no dog in this fight but the woman’s name is Angela Merkel. It does not advance any discourse to call political figures anything other than their real names. Whether it’s someone saying Obummer, Drumpf, Shillary, Shrub, Lying Ted, Little Marco, it tells me the name caller isn’t interested in serious debate.
Now, should we thank Angela Merkel for this outcome?
PG
Hey, I loved my mama!
If all MP vote per their constituencies, would the Parliament still passing to breakup from EU?
“Sadly I’m not all that shocked. Angry, annoyed,sad,worried…yes.
The Leave campaign did a good job recruiting lots of people ready to blame immigrants for everything. So obviously once we stop all the bad people coming into the country and taking our jobs then everything will be fine. Big sigh.”
Email from a good friend who lives in Liverpool.
She is far from an elite - just a single mum who is a teacher and holds down 2 other part time jobs to make ends meet.
4kidsdad,
It was made clear to everyone prior to the election that if a simple majority voted to leave, the UK would do just that: leave.
Its just the first day, but if the relative moves in the markets indicate anything, you’d conclude the big losers are the southern European countries, followed by Germany, which loses the other big contributor to the costs of the Union. UK stocks are down, but less than all the rest.
I’m not sure that the UK has lost influence here, and may have gained some by noting that sometimes people may say no, and there are limits to what is given up for the benefits of being part of such a greater, larger, entity.
Many of those decrying Brexit were championing the causes of Scotland and Catalonia forming independent countries. It would be the “will of the people” after all.
The Leave campaign sold voters a bill of goods with the argument that the UK can get along fine without the EU, just like prosperous Norway and Switzerland. Norway and Switzerland aren’t EU members, but like the UK they are heavily dependent on trade with EU member states. They’ve been given preferential access to the single market on condition that they accept EU rules on free movement of persons and most EU business regulations—the very things the Leave campaign wants to escape from. It’s pie in the sky to think the EU would grant the UK (or what’s left of it after Scotland leaves) a sweeter deal, i.e., free access to the single market without accepting the same terms and conditions Norway and Switzerland have agreed to. But I can’t imagine a post-EU British government accepting those terms, either. So there will almost certainly be tariffs and trade barriers, making both English imports from and exports to the Continent (and Ireland, and likely Scotland) more expensive. Does this add up to economic disaster? Probably not. But as Paul Krugman argues, it probably makes England poorer over the long haul.