So they’re being manipulated today, but they were perfectly rational when they voted yesterday.
We’d be Mexit. Hmmm… Probably shouldn’t float that world around. Someone might want to build a wall around us by accident 
From an email from Vanguard:
"O.M.G. Hopefully we don’t have a majority of Americans who do what these nincompoops did. "
THAT’S an understatement…
Glad to hear there is support from outside Texas as well!
@fractalmstr More “propaganda”?
Flexit, Mexit, Caxit etc. sound like the endless parade of prescription drugs advertised on CNN; the ones where the first 10 seconds of the ad detail how great it is, and the next 50 seconds are the many ways it can kill you.
I would argue that yes it is propaganda, because it is fixated on short-term consequences. Long term vision is what’s needed to survive the Brexit.
More importantly, there is a real reason why so many voted for a Brexit in the first place. What was it that angered people so much about being in the EU? If the EU really were so fabulous, wouldn’t the majority of people have voted to stay in?
“What do you expect when the news media continues to pump out anti-Brexit propaganda all day? I mean, of course people are going to second guess their decisions in that type of environment…”
Ummm…no. They were duped. They were told by leave leaders there would be no economic fallout and the remains were just fearmongering.
Then they woke up this morning to see the pound crashing, the markets tumbling, companies saying they will leave the Uk. Add on top of that the likelihood of parliament not being able to make up the money these regions are going to lose that they get from the EU now - which leave leaders promised them they would get.
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink.
Their economy will very likely fall back into a recession and it hasn’t been great for the working class to begin with.
I expect their state pensions (which they all get) will have to be slashed along with spending on NHC.
People just don’t want to see the ramifications of their actions until it is too late.
[Right-Wing Brexit Leader Admits Key Campaign Promise Was a Complete Lie](http://usuncut.com/world/brexit-campaign-ukip-complete-lie/)
Doesn’t Britain have a way for citizens to petition Parliament, such that they are required to take up the matter. Hopefully they will petition for a do-over. There’s no possible way this thing would pass again. None.
“@busdriver11, why are you horrified? From reading your posts over a long period of time it seems to me you wholeheartedly agree with those arguments.”
I don’t wholeheartedly agree with those arguments. These immigration issues really don’t bother me much on one side or the other, because my family is doing well. However, I can see the point of people who have not benefitted from this economy.
I am horrified of the thought of what could happen in November.
You do realize that the markets/currency dropping, and companies threatening to leave are primarily due to speculation, right? It is all based on uncertainty. UK leaders now have to come up with a path forward to reassure businesses and investors that things will be OK, and I don’t see why they can’t do that. They are smart people.
Furthermore, I don’t think even the Brexit camp thought leaving the EU was going to be a complete walk in the park.
Some of the immediate chaos is due to uncertainty but these things have a direct impact on people’s pocketbook. and the nation’s economy today. And this uncertainty is going to go on for a long while. Add in their disminished stature in the world this will create and negative economic outcomes due to leaving the EU, and Scotland leaving.
From the article LasMa posted above:
“We think the impact of the decision to leave will be negative for the economy,” Kathrin Muehlbronner, the author of the Moody’s U.K. report, said in an interview. “Certainly negative because of uncertainty and delay in spending and investment decisions, but also potentially pretty negative in the long-term, depending on what kind of trade agreement the U.K. signs with the EU.”
They also have no plan whatsoever for a path forward.
@busdriver11, thanks for answering my question.
I couldn’t disagree more with your thinking.
I don’t think it is ever wise to stay with something because it is the easy/safe thing to do. The EU has had its own share of mismanagement problems over the years (none of which the ‘bremain’ camp cares to acknowledge), and some might say things are only getting worse (as noted by over half of the UK population voting to leave). The EU’s ad-hoc crisis management (i.e. Greece fiasco, and migrant crisis) and currency woes have done nothing but put the wealthier members on alert. Germany is doing most of the dictating on fiscal policy, meanwhile poorer southern EU members are draining resources from all member countries (and that trend does not appear to be reversing any time soon).
The status quo is just not good enough, and clearly the UK is upset with how things are being managed by the EU.
Of course you don’t agree with me - no surprise there.
You could say people were duped, or you could say that there are a lot of ignorant people out there and because we have not had an existential threat since the fall of Communism, people have gotten lazy about thinking things through before making a momentous decision that will not only affect them but many generations of descendants to come.
Terrific (and a bit scary) article (with quotes) here:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/britons_radical_rejection_of_the_status_quo_should_terrify_all_liberal_democracies.html
“Europe’s weakness harms the West as a whole. As the continent lurches from crisis to crisis and sees the gradual rise of populist strongmen on its own shores, it is getting increasingly tempted to make nice with authoritarian leaders in Turkey, Russia, and China. It’s little wonder that, outside Britain, the only triumphant voices to be heard Friday morning are those of Donald Trump, Marine Le Pen, Vladimir Putin, and the propaganda outlets of ISIS.”
"There are plenty of reasons to be dissatisfied with the European Union as it is currently constituted. The EU leaves the most important decisions to an unelected council of the ministers of its member states, giving ordinary Europeans little control. And countries such as Greece are paying a massive—and seemingly indefinite—price for the faulty construction of the single currency zone. Though I strongly believe that the human and political consequences of the U.K.’s departure from the European Union made a “Leave” vote unconscionable, I have some sympathy for those who advocated Brexit on the basis of sovereignty or in the hope of building a more robust welfare state.
As the polls show, however, those were not the reasons that most supporters of Brexit had in mind. In fact, voters on both sides of the divide had virtually indistinguishable views on such questions as whether “capitalism” was good or bad. But Brexiters had starkly more negative views on issues such as “immigration,” “multiculturalism,” and “social liberalism.” The vote to leave the European Union was not a vote against Europe’s financial elites. It was a vote against civil rights, against ethnic minorities, against immigrants, and against refugees.
This also puts a rather more sinister cast on all the talk of sovereignty. Voters cared some about whether decisions will be taken in London or Brussels in the future. They cared much more about whether checks and balances would continue to stop the people’s righteous anger from expressing itself. What they really want is the freedom to make discriminatory laws against the immigrants and minorities whom the chief proponents of Brexit demonized throughout the campaign."
“This trend is especially striking in the United States. Two decades ago, 1 in 16 Americans believed that Army rule would be a good way to run the country. Today, it is 1 in 6. The picture is even bleaker among the young and affluent: Support for military rule in this group has increased nearly sixfold, from 6 percent to 35 percent.”
Basically, with communism dead, people are dull to the threat of authoritarianism. This is how a democratic society rots and topples.
People are stupid.
That vote certainly proved it, LOL. NBC Nightly news had some twits saying they voted to leave and now regret it. They make AMERICAN VOTERS seem smart and with-it. How pathetic is that???
“The British are frantically Googling what the EU is, hours after voting to leave it”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw6&wpmm=1