bright Asperger kid wants to apply to Ivys- mention disability in essay?

DD has multiple disabilities, including Aspergers. Her life was no walk in the park. Her performance was wildly inconsistent before she got a diagnosis. However, DD was blessed with a very supportive therapist. DD was also placed in a very small high school. DD learned how to manage her conditions. She is now doing dual enrollment classes at the local university and quite successfully with all "A"s so far. Her GPA is 4.5 and SAT is 2330 (including a perfect essay score). She desires to apply to several Ivy league schools

She is a bright kid, and it is quite a miracle all what she could accomplish. DD is quite scared about mentioning disabilities in her essay. She is afraid her essay would place her in some auto-reject pile. However, nobody would fully understand this amazing kid without knowing all these challenges she needs to face.every single day of her life.

Is there any good recommendation in how DD should address this dilemma?

Wouldn’t it be better for her school counselor to address how she has overcome her multiple issues to be a successful student? I’m not sure this makes a good essay for your daughter.

I answered in your other thread … it could make for a compelling essay if done well.

@thumper1 Is this because of the topic being perceived as negative? The guidance I got was to write about reasons for a school to accept her, and talking about disability opens the door for reasons to refuse her?

@LoveTheBard Thanks for the feedback!

I think there are some other posters here with very bright 2E kids at Ivies, possibly @Shawbridge? Perhaps they will give you some concrete advice.

I don’t think it is an automatic reject, nor do I think it is an automatic acceptance. It really will depend on why she is bringing it up in her essay. If it is to say “I didn’t score a 2400 because I have all these problems”, it’s not going to help. They want to know how she got to where she is or where she wants to go.

I think the best approach would be not to write about the issues, but to include the issue in the topic if it comes up. I’m sure the Ivies are full of students who have medical issues they have dealt with.

My son’s essay mentioned Asperger’s, but was not about Aspergers.

Ivy Leagues certainly have students with aspergers. Your daughter sounds like an incredibly strong young woman and I think it would benefit her to touch on:

  1. The challenges presented to her by her disability
  2. What she has done to overcome her circumstances, and what she is most proud of
  3. What her personal goals are. What makes her happy, fulfills her, and what she aspires to achieve at the colleges she is applying to. Perhaps why she can achieve it at Ivy League University X better than anywhere else.

It’s important to portray her as more than her disability, however. I would recommend writing about it, but perhaps in a way that highlights what she has done despite it. It would be a mistake to simply write the essay on her aspergers. But I would be deeply compelled by a story about an accomplishment your daughter is proud of, particularly if it relates to the difficulties of life with aspergers.

e.g. Your daughter might be very proud of the fundraiser she organized for junior prom, because it was an overwhelming success and the task required her to navigate a ton social interactions that, with aspergers, can be difficult.

If you think carefully, I’m sure you’ll be able to find an anecdote or story that conveys your daughter’s promise and strength very well. She doesn’t need to crack Enigma to have a shot at the Ivies.

With that said, being honest about what she has gone through, while speaking in positive terms and her aspirations, will help her wind up at the school she is best suited for. A school that would reject her simply for her aspergers probably isn’t a school she would be served best by attending. Clearly, she is intellectually qualified, and would be a competitive applicant based on her merits. Anyone who has aspergers has a powerful story and someone as bright as your daughter should be able to make it really stand out in an application pool. I definitely think an Ivy AdCom will look for reasons that your daughter can, despite her disability, succeed at their school, and be a valued member of their community as well.

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Agreed that if she writes about it it should focus not on the disabilities, but rather how she has overcome her issues and how it has impacted her as a person.

Unsolicited advice – if she finds she thrives in the small environment perhaps consider some of the wonderful LACs out there.

Cool! I’m pretty sure most aspies are really bright. A family member of mine has it and is extremely smart, if only they applied thselves like your daughter did. Anyway, I would steer away from looking for sympathy and understanding - if that’s what she seeks. abt mentioning would definitely not hurt!

Agree with @missypie. And, if a university puts her application in the reject pile b/c she’s Asperger’s, why would she want to attend that school? The essay offers a peek into the individual applicant. If being Asperger’s is part of who she is, then yeah, don’t leave it out.

@missypie @Knoxpatch I totally agree. People in her HS and University classes commented DD provides unique perspectives. DD also hates the world “Disability”. She likes to use “Differently Abled”

@happy1 DD is also considering Pomona and Bowdoin . In my experience, the problem for DD is more about having some warm and accepting environment. The size does not seem to impact her. Relatively speaking, it was always more difficult to handle mean and closed-mind people. She seems more able to handle this now as well.

Having had kids at both Ivy and sLACs (Yale and Swarthmore) I would anecdotally say that I think the sLACs you are considering might be a better environment. The small school environment can often give more support and recognition of students’ special needs and quirks.

My sons both are deaf and chose to write about their decisions to have cochlear implant surgery and how that impacted their lives. They both ended up at small LACs and have been pleased with their choices. Very supportive atmosphere - faculty, staff and students - and great accommodations. My younger son’s LAC in particular (Bates) has been great about inclusion even though he’s one of two kids on campus with hearing loss.

My exceedingly bright son with severe dyslexia and other LDs but no Aspergers or physical disabilities is now a graduate student. My recommendation is not to mention the LDs if possible in the application. The reason is as follows: These schools have 8 to 12 applicants per slot. AdComs are looking for reasons to reject otherwise highly qualified kids. Dyslexia or Aspergers gives them a reason to do so if they are so inclined. [She might be really bright and have overcome the LDs, but this is a wholly different environment. Will she be able to continue to overcome the LDs in the highly charged pressure cooker that is Yale (Princeton, MIT, Penn, …)? If she crashes, there will be meetings with deans, etc.] She will get crossed off some lists because they can find another equally bright kid without LDs. She may also get a few boosts from the LDs, but in on balance, the costs of informing them outweigh the potential upside.

The argument that if a school would reject your kid because of the LDs, then it would not be a good place for her to go is, I think, flawed. The admissions folks are completely separate from the disabilities services folks and the rest of the administration. The admissions folks are doing some kind of strange social engineering bit on picking the “perfect class” and may well have a bias against kids with LDs. And they may be partly right that there is a higher probability of crashes and burns (or not) among LD kids and that the costs to the school of any such crash are higher. They are disconnected parts of the organization and the Adcom has no effect on how they treat kids who are attending.

After getting accepted, I would go have a serious talk (including the parents) with the Disabilities Services Office, explain explicitly what the issues are (send them the neuropsych and other exams in advance of the meeting) and maybe a Dean. Show them what accommodations have worked in the past, what you think will be needed in college, and ask explicitly about whether they will provide these accommodations. Prior to acceptance, they will all mouth platitudes (about being inclusive and working with all kinds of learners, but some will deliver and some will not. An Ivy was on ShawSon’s list as number 1 and one of the very top LACs was number 2. We then met with the head of Disabilities Services and a Dean at the LAC and the head of Disabilities Services at the Ivy. The Ivy was originally unwilling to commit to a decision prior to admission – “we have a process” – and only when we said that ShawSon would not come unless there was a favorable decision, did they commit. Even there, he asked for more testing data before committing and waffled on some of the accommodations that the other school offered without our asking, [Incidentally, I later spoke with a former client who is a trustee of the Ivy and he was a bit disgusted by what his DSO guy had handled my son – the board doesn’t want to lose the brightest kids because of LDs.] But, ShawSon said, “this is going to be just like high school.” The Dean of the DSO at the LAC said to me, "If we admitted your son, we are going to do everything in our power to help him succeed. And, they were always cooperative and proactively helpful. The other Dean, who was Dean of Freshman, offered to be his academic adviser during his freshman year. ShawSon said, “I like the Ivy better, but this LAC is the right place for me to succeed.” The DSO at the LAC lived up to its word. The Dean of Freshman vetted his original schedule and said, “Make the first semester easier. I want you to learn how to succeed here.” I met several of his professors at departmental open houses on Parents Weekend (which now has a more politically correct name). One of his professors in his freshman year, said, “I was wary when I saw the accommodations he was receiving. Kids with learning disabilities have typically not done well in my course.” He expressed surprise that ShawSon had gotten the highest score on both of the exams to date (as he in fact did in all of his course the first semester). So there was an initial bias among the professors against kids with LDs.

I could not test my approach – my anecdotal data isn’t compelling. In high school, ShawSon was not learning to write (most neurotypical kids pick up writing by osmosis and his high school didn’t really teach writing) and found the honors math curriculum insufferably slow (“We discussed the idea on Monday. I got it on Monday. We are still discussing it on Friday”). So, I negotiated partial homeschooling with the school in which we were responsible for English (with a heavy emphasis on writing) and Math. This meant that we could have him rewrite the same paper, with feedback, 6 times . With a lot of work and pain and agony, he learned to be a very good writer over time. And it meant that in two 1.5 hour sessions per week, he covered junior honors math in a semester. As such, his transcript was very odd and needed explanation. So, we would have had to disclose his dyslexia anyway. And, so his supplementary essay was on how it affected him (negative, how he overcame, positive effects). And, I had to address it in describing the home school program. I suspect that the disclosure had an effect. He did not get into my alma mater, which was surprising given the boost they give for legacies and how strong he was (compared to other legacy kids who had gotten in). He also used dyslexia at the core of his applications to two of the top business schools in the country – but it fight because he was explaining that he learned from dyslexia to be strategic and take non-standard approaches to problems; to have a group of bright, loyal, to support him, and to get work with people who have non-standard intelligences. He was admitted into the more selective of the two (but not the other one) as well as an MS in what I suspect is the best Data Science program in the country.

Sorry, probably TMI, but i don’t have time to write a shorter response.

My first thought was to have the GC address the disabilities and let your D focus on showing herself in her essays.

My question is always, what are you going to write about instead? If your D were my client, I would advise her to write drafts based on multiple ideas and compare ESSAYS instead of essay concepts. Until you see the writing, you can’t tell whether an idea is going to flower into something beautiful or just fizzle. Sometimes the result is that the kid’s written product on the disability essay is orders of magnitude better than their work on any other topic. Sometimes it isn’t. But I don’t think you can make the right call until there is written work.

I agree to some extent with Hannah. A lot depends on the quality of the essay. My son’s essay that centered around dyslexia for business school was terrific while his secondary essay was fine but not brilliant. So, I think Hannah’s approach is right. See what she writes best about. But even there, all other things equal or nearly equal, if she can leave the disabilities out of the application, she will be better off. Then, she can decide which schools will work for her.

Imo. The point of the essay isn’t to chat about a disability, per se. Not, I have X, which affected Y and Z. Its to reveal traits, “show,” more than “tell.” These can be woven into a nice tale.

Sometimes, you use the Addl Info section to explain some needed bit. But the best start is a GC, who can comment on her successes, despite, or how she works to accommodate or her peer relationships, etc. The positives.

It’s not so much that a disability is a reason to give short shrift. Not at all. It’s as much that they need kids who will thrive not only academically, but outside class, engage, be good roommates, etc, even if she’s reserved. Plus, grow.

You focused on academics. How about. activites and responsibilities?

Btw, the common app main essay prompts don’t have to be taken quite literally. Help her work this to her advantage. Glass half full. Let her have fun with this. Then, as Hanna said, see what works. Best wishes.