are these all freshman admits?
@soulgaurdia Yeah, it’s for the class of 2024
Since there was a wave of acceptances from international students, it seems that these students will be replacing the ones that are international and have requested gap years. There will probably be a wave of acceptances for domestic students to replace those who are domestic and have requested gap years, although that number will certainly be lower than international acceptances.
? felt. I had a hunch of this happening when they randomly talked about whether or not they ranked students on the waitlist in their Q&A about their waitlist.
Found this on Reddit. Just Google: Brown doesn’t seem to be need-blind for waitlist this year.
"Hi,
So Brown claims that they’re need-blind for the waitlist for domestic applicants this year. I’m in a waitlist group chat and we were talking about how it’s weird that it appears only full pay kids are getting off. I decided to do a bit of research to confirm this suspicion or at least look for a trend.
Looking at past CDS numbers, it looks like Brown takes about 90 kids off a year (60 - 120 is usually how much according to admissions dean). Additionally, some colleges like Penn or Cornell have publicly stated that their yields haven’t been impacted too much due to coronavirus. So assuming that Brown’s yield has also stayed consistent, we’re going to be using the 90 number.
Penn’s article is linked here. I can’t find Cornell’s article, but there was a story on the New York Times I believe.
Brown - like most colleges - will probably never release the amount of full pay or non full pay kids that they take off. So I decided to do some digging on Reddit (the official waitlist megathread) and College Confidential (the Brown 2024 waitlist thread). For our research purposes, let’s assume what people say on Reddit and CC is true. I’m also only counting the 1st, 2nd and 3rd waves. The 4th wave appears to be an international wave — which Brown is need aware for.
I went through all 6.2k comments on the Reddit megathread and the posts made on the subreddit while keeping in mind the duplicates. I looked for those who got off the waitlist using command + F.
Of those 32 who have gotten off on Reddit, 17 have said they were full pays in their comment, replied to other comments or replied to my DMs. The other 15 haven’t said anything.
I counted 9 who got off on College Confidential. Of those, 7 were full pays. The other 2 haven’t said anything.
Let’s assume that close to 90 people have been taken off the waitlist as we’re nearing the end of the cycle. That means around 46% of their usual “waitlist” class is on CC and Reddit. Thus, I find it very very weird that not a single person has come out saying they got in needing aid. On the Penn threads for both Reddit and CC, you’ll see at plenty of people talking about how they’ve gotten off the waitlist with full need-based rides. Maybe there have been a few people who got off Brown’s waitlist needing aid. There just seems to be a trend that Brown is taking only full payers off.
It’s possible that I miscounted or glanced over some waitlist acceptances, but it’s entirely possible that because of COVID-19 this year, Brown has changed their waitlist policies and made it need-aware for domestics. Maybe, maybe not. Either way, kind of interesting to see how COVID-19 has affected waitlist admissions. Can anyone testify that they’ve gotten off needing aid?"
@kodyclaytonedu I don’t know if I mentioned this before in the thread, but COVID-19 has put colleges such as Brown, UPenn, and Harvard in a sticky situation through student retention. With students now wanting to get their money back due to not being able to gain the full college experience, they are facing multi-million dollar lawsuits by these students. On top of that, colleges such as the ones I mentioned above are known for being frugal with how they budget their money towards the diversity of students both ethnically and socioeconomically.
Knowing that they are more inclined to lose a majority of both international and domestic students that contribute either by full pay or majority pay, many students such as the ones here on CC and Reddit aren’t on the top of their minds because it would mean that more money would have to be footed upfront in order to cover their costs throughout the next four years (more simply, they don’t want to pay at most about $240k per student over four years).
Many students who required full aid or mostly aid were most likely taken during regular decision.
https://youtu.be/CSdQDbx4raM
https://youtu.be/YRULh9uFbpQ
^These videos should help explain my argument.
Just wanted to let you all know that I’ve denied my offer to Brown, hopefully that opens up a spot for someone.
@coffee23452 Where do you plan on going?
paying full, no aid - got it june 17 about 4pm est
I’ll be going to Rice
@coffee23452 I’m also going to Rice and I’m still on the Brown waitlist. Do you mind telling me why you chose Rice over Brown?
Ayye fellow owl! It was a really tough choice but ultimately Rice just seemed like the better choice because
- Their coronavirus response is far better than Brown’s (“We don’t have a plan for 20/21 academic year yet but we’ll let you know” whereas Rice has already expanded its teaching space and has clear instruction for the upcoming year)
- The engineering department at Rice is stronger than Brown’s (which, ironically is also named Brown)
- I’m looking for that college experience going to football games and varsity sports games and such, and Rice just has relatively more of that environment and energy than Brown who just cut 11 varsity sports.
- Houston has loads more things to do than Providence (but that’s just me)
- Houston has more job opportunities and prospective internship opportunities for STEM majors aka it’s a larger STEM city.
Good luck with the waitlist, let me know what you choose! My interviewer called the other day to congratulate me and told me I was the first one of everyone he’s interviewed for 7 years to get in
Brown just released rejection letters for waitlisted students. The process is officially over.
Hey guys! Just got my rejection letter… I‘m very disappointed, but also glad the process is over.
Yep, I just got my rejection letter with information for admitted students below lol
@madlad me too. If I click on „more information“, there‘s even a letter addressed to the international students admitted. Way to make me feel better about myself lol
Where is this letter found? I don’t see anything anywhere yet…
I got a rejection letter and another letter starting with: “Dear Member of the Class of 2024,
Congratulations from the Office of College Admission!”
Does it mean I’m rejected?