<p>So with suicides we should look at rates which correct for size, but admissions we should look at pure numbers in the class? It’s all absurd. You’ll learn that as you grow up.</p>
<p>If there is one thing life has taught me its that anyone who is arguing in a subjective area that they are “presenting the truth” is speaking out of their rear.</p>
<p>Jamaica I wish youd realize that we’re trying to help you. This is literally the beginning of your education.</p>
<p>LOL, Modestmelody, I am speaking out of my rear? You just keep verifying my argument, when one has no data they resort to name calling. Going back through the thread, I can clearly see that I presented data comparing both schools. Where is your data? Anyway, I have better things to do than to argue with you children.</p>
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<p><em>sigh</em>…exactly my point. I was defending Cornell. I’m done trying to argue with someone who acts like a ■■■■■. If you really got into both Brown and Cornell, congrats and have fun at Cornell. Hopefully someone more deserving will get off the waitlist and take your spot.</p>
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<p>which is funny, because you’re the high school school senior who (i’ll add one more time) DOES NOT GO TO EITHER SCHOOL, and is arguing with two alums. Heck, I’m still a senior, but I’ve been visiting those schools for 2 years now, and have both brothers and cousins that have gone through the college and workforce process, and have learned from all of them. I wish you’d realize that they’re only trying to help you.</p>
<p>@Lapras, are you saying that because I presented a different argument, I am not deserving of being admitted to Brown? How ignorant can one get. I will never say that you are not deserving of Brown, because you disagree with me. that would make me ignorant.</p>
<p>The fact that we both worked hard, and stood out, and was ultimately accepted into top schools, illustrated that we are good students. I would not DARE TO CALL YOU UNDESERVING BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME. GROW UP LAPRAS.</p>
<p>You have still not understood what we are all telling you. Yes, you did post data but it doesn’t mean much to anyone. I suggest reading modest’s post again about drawing conclusions from data. We are honestly trying to educate you, but for us to do that you might have to admit that perhaps someone in the world knows more about something than you do.</p>
<p>I meant to word that that differently. I meant someone more enthusiastic about the school is more deserving to be there than the person who doesn’t even seem to like the school. It’s surprising that you would apply, and then get in and spend all of your free time on a forum bashing the school and yelling at people in all caps. But that’s your prerogative. Have fun at Cornell.</p>
<p>And chill with the caps ;)</p>
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What did you put in the Why Brown?</p>
<p>Haha This thread is too funny…</p>
<p>Hey guys, we might have gotten trolled.</p>
<p>I’m a science major, too, and I’ve also taken classes in CS and math, as well as a host of humanities fields. It’s one thing to cite a program as “very good” or even “the best,” and another to examine the quality of teaching. I’ve taken some lecture classes with amazing professors, many with outstanding reputations in the field at large, but unless I’ve gone to their office hours or taken upper-level seminars with them, I haven’t really reaped the benefits of their teaching. Some of them were excellent lecturers; others weren’t. Sure, they really knew their stuff, but many of the best professors are good when they’re teaching their specialties, doing research, etc. Not all students will have the interest, opportunity, or time to access them at that level.</p>
<p>This situation holds presumably at both Brown and Cornell.</p>
<p>@Jamaica, I think you’re mistakenly looking at modestmelody and the others’ posts and assuming they are all fact-less emotional outbursts, just because they’re blocks of text and no numbers. However, if you actually sit and read their posts, you’ll see that their whole POINT is that numbers aren’t everything. The comments about the suicide and car accident rates? Examples to demonstrate that you can’t just take a number and draw conclusions from it. See the definition of data:</p>
<p>Data (n.) – individual facts, statistics, or items of information.</p>
<p>If you look at their posts carefully, you’ll see plenty of data; modestmelody specifically said that he has compared notes with Cornell friends’ experiences in the science department. This is experience, or “empirical evidence” … note the word “evidence,” implying that it’s data! You make the mistake of limiting the term “data” to only one of its definitions: statistics. Yes, numbers can be powerful. But the whole goal of modestmelody and co. on this thread has been to show you that they are not omnipotent. In fact, when those numbers do not have strong sources or are applied out of context, they lose all power whatsoever. From a purely data-based perspective, I would say that modestmelody and the others actually have the upper hand on this thread. Sure, they haven’t presented numbers, but they’ve presented other types of data, while yours is arguably faulty. THAT’s their point. Oh, and by the way, I’m just trying to help you understand what their point is; please don’t perceive me as yet another person arguing against you. :)</p>
<p>Also, please don’t take so much offense here. No one is yelling at you, and no one is calling you names. There’s nothing wrong with sharing a second opinion and pointing out the flaws in the first; that’s how friendly debates work, and that’s how we can learn where we’re wrong and adjust our views accordingly. Which is great! because we are thus able to develop more accurate and better honed convictions.</p>
<p>And @ the OP, I hope you’ve found that this thread answers your question … in a roundabout way, anyway. :)</p>