<p>Just a plug for TCNJ-NJMS program- If you measure the success of a program by the stat of their students, I can definitely say that TCNJ-NJMS program has done incredibly well. Actually, I wonder why TCNJ does not use these stats to market themselves.</p>
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<li><p>AOA status -If you check those who got inducted to Alpha Omega Alpha med school honor society this year, 50% of the MS3s and 30% of senior AOAs are from TCNJ-NJMS program. The rest are traditional students from various prgrams. This is even though only 22 students came from TCNJ-NJMS program in a class of 180 for MS3.</p></li>
<li><p>STEP 1 scores - When you review who got highest STEP 1 scores, again TCNJ-NJMS wins with MS3s from this school scoring in the ranges of 260 to 270. </p></li>
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<p>3 - All SMEDs are working on their own research projects and have publications underway.</p>
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<li>When awards are given for outstanding achievement in Biochem and Anatomy ( 1 each given at the end of MS1), and DPPT (2 given at the end of MS2) - 3 out of 4 awards were won by TCNJ-NJMS SMEDs.</li>
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<p>These four factors by far weigh heavily in procuring residencies at top schools. So, TCNJ program definitely does a great job in preparing their students for the long haul.</p>
<p>I have been meaning to write to Dr Shevlin as TCNJ should/could use these stats as a proud indicator of success for their program. I am just surprised why they have not yet done this already.</p>
<p>Hope this info helps those of you who are still deciding which program to select.</p>
<p>@matrix, actually that Hopkins website lists med students who matched into their residence in the past, and they were from all over the place, contrary to my (others) expectation that they only take kids from top med schools</p>
<p>@ohioparent, so you will get better training at those academic program, got it, and the real training takes place at resident/fellowship. Majority of posters here I believe are not shooting for academic job.</p>
<p>Has anyone recieved formal admission letters for the TCNJ UMDNJ 7 yr program so far .We just recd the phone call from Dr.Chevlin but havent seen any thing in the mail.</p>
<p>@sjshah, drexel has 4+4 with Kean, Muhlenberg, Robert Morris and Monmouth.
I agree… there is no guarantee with the temple health scholars program.</p>
<p>@pgans12 he applied to honors, we are expecting him to be accepted. You can click on my userid and send a private message. I sending you a pm. Please check your college confidential inbox.</p>
<p>@pcb1604- it doesn’t matter what kind of physician practice you plan on having. If you think you will be the best primary care doctor you can be by learning your trade in a mediocre teaching program you are wrong. Best the best you can be, challange yourself as much as possible in your training. Believe me I can tell the difference in practice after many year who was trained well, (academically) and who was trained poorly. If you can live with being mediocre then feel free to ignore my recommendation. Also your training starts in elemetary school and follows on. There is a reason you students are applying to these programs and are getting excepted. You will get the basis of all of your training as a third and fourth year student.</p>
<p>@pgans are u planning to send ur son to u toledo? If he wants to do oncology that is the best option i believe… My only concern is finishing it off in 8 years rather than the 9 and its possible I believe since I have so much AP credit</p>
<p>@OhioParent,
I personally know of leaders (nationally and internationally in their field of medicine) in many specialties that have graduated from very mediocre schools but did very well, went to good residencies and fellowships. It is NOT true that only Harvard, Hopkins etc make good doctors! Their training may be good but I believe (and many doctors have told me this in the recent weeks) that it is what you make out of the school and your work ethics that will make you a better doctor. Training is very important and it is better to be at the top of a class in a state university than bottom of the class at an Ivy school. Everybody cannot go to Hopkins or WashU or Harvard for medical school. So I totally believe that you can be an awesome doctor from any accredited school. Look at so many researchers and famous doctors in the US that have come from India, Egypt, Poland etc. I know a doctor who is a leader in his field from Africa. So really, it is up to each individual to make the best of the opportunity they have and go beyond course-work to make it big! I think it is extremely misleading to tell young students here that only a big name school can make you a good doctor!!</p>
<p>@daisy1111- you are not understanding my point. I as well know many foreign doctors who are brilliant and excellent physicians. The best of them likely trained in the best schools in their country and not the worst school. I have no issue with going to a state school. I was using those names for recognition only. I again will tell you that when I trained at a University program (NOT IVY) we had a B program at the VA hospital and it in NO way produced the same quality doctors. At this point in time the programs have combined and all of the residents are accepted throught the university. I’m just talking in generalities. The B program of University will have an overall lower grade of teaching and residents/fellows than the A program. Believe me or not its the truth.</p>
<p>Just a snippet from a NY Times article. I didn’t write this. I’m just cutting and pasting.</p>
<p>The foreign schools do not go through the same accreditation process as the United States schools. So the state has its own process for approving foreign schools, but the New York schools contend it is not as thorough as the national accreditation process, and it should be.
The Regents are struggling to compare the academic and professional performance of students from the domestic and foreign schools. The Government Accountability Office, a federal agency, tried to do so in a report aimed at determining whether the foreign schools should continue to qualify for federal loans.
The report, issued in June, found that on average, foreign-trained students lagged behind their American-trained peers in passing the medical licensing exams. But over the last decade, they had narrowed the gap, especially in the clinical knowledge portion of the exams, which 75 percent of foreign-educated Americans passed on the first try in 2008, up from 57 percent in 1998. For students in American and Canadian schools, which are subject to the same accreditation process, the rate was 94 percent in 2008, about the same as 10 years earlier.</p>
<p>@OhioParent,
Sorry I misunderstood. I agree with you. You are right! I think I did not realize the context you were addressing. I completely agree about the foreign schools.</p>