<p>Reminds me of some CSI episodes where the killer keeps a souvenir.</p>
<p>Keeping the victims’ panties indicates a desire to reexperience a sexual thrill that was involved in the crime. </p>
<p>If the police have found the perp, and the panties also were from the victims, sounds like the perp is a psychopathic serial killer. For all we know, previous women were robbed and beaten, but not killed because the killer figured that since the women were prostitutes, as long as he didn’t kill them, the police weren’t likely to get involved. </p>
<p>Seems I have read that some serial killers started with assaulting and/or raping victims and then escalated as they became more skilled and confident.</p>
<p>I wonder if his fiancee continues to feel confident about his innocence.</p>
<p>though his initial motivation may have been to pay off gambling debts, there was a lot more twisted motivation there as well.
really feel for his fiancee, at some point she will be overcome with repulsion at what he was capable of doing to other women. her life is forever changed.<br>
I say a prayer for spirit of the woman he murdered, and her family. the circumstances of the murder imo are irrelevant, she is a murder victim.</p>
<p>Police are also testing the gun found in suspect Philip Markoff’s apartment. They discovered the weapon in a hollowed-out copy of the medical textbook Gray’s Anatomy. </p>
<p>[‘Craigslist</a>’ Suspect Kept Victims’ Panties - Crime & Courts news | Newser](<a href=“'Craigslist' Suspect Kept Victims' Panties”>'Craigslist' Suspect Kept Victims' Panties)</p>
<p>there is also a blurb from one of the overnight holding cell officers and his “peculiar” behavior the night he was held. There is a serious psych history going on</p>
<p>Somewhat offtopic, but I’d like to second ebeeeee - be careful with craigslist:</p>
<p>[Bellevue</a> mom, son attacked by Craigslist “seller”](<a href=“http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009098090_webcraigslist21m.html]Bellevue”>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009098090_webcraigslist21m.html)</p>
<p>Mass–no death penalty-unfortunate.</p>
<p>It appears that he grew up in Sherrill, NY. 98% white, median household income of $60K. A very small town of middle-income households. His mother and father split and she remarried. His family includes his step-father, step-sister and brother. He was an early reader, very bright in science and math, never caused problems in school.</p>
<p>It sounds like he would fit right in at CC from the descriptions of his town.</p>
<p>Mark Hacking case, August 2004. Faux medical student hacked his pregnant young wife to death on marital bed, buried her in a landfill. Bizarre behavior in both cases.</p>
<p>In a FOX News interview one of the suspect’s college classmates reported that Markoff often made racist comments as well. A bigot and a hater of women in one package.</p>
<p>I am wary of assuming that every self-proclaimed “friend” of Markoff really was a friend. Whenever there is a sensational crime or bizarre event, there are people who like to “bask” in their 2 minutes of fame. </p>
<p>Have any of you read “Lucky” by Alice Sebold, the author of “The Lovely Bones?” It’s a non-fiction account of her rape when she was a college student. The rape was a very violent one. The book is painful to read but really, really good. The rape and subsequent trial were headline news at the time. Years later, Sebold went back to the area as part of her research for writing the book. My recollection is vague, but I think Sebold was using a different surname so it wasn’t immediately obvious to people she interviewed that she was writing about her own rape. </p>
<p>In the intro or afterword, she writes about how hard it was to deal with people who wanted to be interviewed by her and claimed that they were really close friends of the victim. At one point, she went to get her hair done at a local beauty parlor. The hairdresser asked why she was visiting and she said that she was writing about a crime that happened 10 years earlier. The hairdresser said something like you must mean the rape. She then went on and on tellling Sebold that she was one of the victim’s closest friends and said she could really help with her book because she knew a lot about the victim. She gave her “publicly unknown” facts about the rape which were completely untrue. </p>
<p>Everyone in the beauty parlor was listening to all this. Finally, Sebold could not take it anymore. She couldn’t recall ever seeing this woman in her life and she most definitely was never one of her closest friends. She finally said something like “I know what really happened during the rape because I was the victim.” At that point, the hairdresser started sobbing, embraced her and said something like “Oh, Alice, What a surprise. How wonderful of you to come to see me, but you really should have let me know you were coming.”</p>
<p>I’m glad he was caught before they married. Hopefully his fiancee can keep a low profile and move on with her life and future career. I can’t imagine what his family must be going through, especially his younger siblings. Life will not be good for a long time.</p>
<p>I applaud the administration at his former HS and neighbors for their refusal of interviews to date. As a local (no, I don’t know him or his family!), it’s been tough to see news crews camped out there over something so terrible and, obviously, no one could have predicted something like this from his background. What else can people possibly need to know?!</p>
<p>On the racist thing and community stats, I just want to clarify that there are few minorities in this community but they are not excluded by any means and are not shunned at the high school or by the adults. For whatever reason, there are many more immigrants and minorities in the nearby cities although there is a local casino and racetrack that draw people from all over. Like most places, you make your own reputation here. Serious crime is rare and long remembered and grieved over.</p>
<p>sk8rmom posted:
“…obviously, no one could have predicted something like this from his background…”</p>
<p>I can see what you are saying here, but you are really talking about SES and not background. In fact, I think once his background is looked at by people, it might be discovered that this is someone with no conscience and who has a history of a conduct disorder. This is not something that is limited to any one SES. In fact, there are many well to do families with the means to cover up the misdeeds of their kids or bail them out of trouble constantly and never hold them accountable or make them feel the repercussions of their actions. The people who do this may mean well, but the effect to is create a kid who feels invincible and also who doesn’t ever really learn right from wrong. Often kids raised like this think the rules do not or should not apply to them. I don’t think that this killer became one overnight.</p>
<p>Did anyone else see the video of the father of Megan McAllister, Markoff’s fianc</p>
<p>“On the racist thing and community stats, I just want to clarify that there are few minorities in this community but they are not excluded by any means and are not shunned at the high school or by the adults. For whatever reason, there are many more immigrants and minorities in the nearby cities although there is a local casino and racetrack that draw people from all over. Like most places, you make your own reputation here. Serious crime is rare and long remembered and grieved over.”</p>
<p>We live in a similar community (we also have a residence in a low-income area with a huge minority population) though we’re about 3.5% minority vs about 2% minority. There are benefits to seeing and mingling with other types of people (class and race), one of them in that you are aware of others and feel comfortable with them. It’s a lot easier to make generalizations about others if you never interact with them.</p>
<p>New Hampshire usually rates pretty high on the rankings for the safest states to live in and I can understand the desire to live in low-crime areas. In the city of our other residence, something that I haven’t seen since the 1970s made a comeback: cars on milk crates. There was a small crime spree by a few individuals where they would jack up a wheel on a car, put a milk crate to support the point of the car and then take the wheel off. Repeat for the other three wheels. You get back to your car and you may have a ticket on it but you’ll need to figure out how to buy four wheels, mount four tires, transport them to your car and then mount them on your car. An incredible expense of money and time. You just can’t have the thing towed to your garage. That’s the thing that I worry about when I leave my car there overnight.</p>
<p>Jyber,
Just watched that link. I agree, that the fiancee’s dad showed grace under pressure. It must be extremely difficult for that family and for the Markoff family in ways that we cannot imagine. While it is hard for many to fathom how the financee is sticking by Markoff and believes him…I can see it for the short term myself because this girl is in a state of shock and disbelief and denial that the guy she was about to marry could possibly have had such traits and behaviors that did not jive with the guy she thought she knew. So, she is in denial but also in love with the guy and so is sticking by him. I would imagine as more comes out, that may be harder to do. Then again, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. But it seems just from the preliminary evidence, that it points to this young man’s guilt and doesn’t look good. </p>
<p>As far as the suicide watch, I can believe it because this guy’s entire life just took a complete turn from being a med student to sitting in jail, possibly for life. He likely cannot face himself or anyone else he knows. He likely assumed he could get away with it, and/or completely cracked.</p>
<p>Her dad is supporting his daughter. My guess is that he knows the real situation given the evidence but that he is supporting his daughter because that’s what dads do. Eventually she will figure it out and that will be a shock to her but she will recover. He certainly shows grace under fire.</p>
<p>Boston University is hiding copies of the student paper with headlines about accused medical student Philip Markoff’s murder charges so prospective students and their parents won’t get scared off, reports The Daily Free Press, the independent student newspaper.</p>
<p>[Student</a> paper ?hidden? at BU - Quincy, MA - The Patriot Ledger](<a href=“http://www.patriotledger.com/news/x1899319780/Student-paper-hidden-at-BU]Student”>http://www.patriotledger.com/news/x1899319780/Student-paper-hidden-at-BU)</p>
<p>Of course he’s innocent until proven guilty, but if what we hear in the media is true (and how in the world do they get this stuff?), it sure seems like there’s a lot of evidence against him – the computer records of his exchange with the murdered victim, the videos of him at the crime scenes, the gun in his apartment (which I don’t believe has yet been identified as the murder weapon), and the victims’ underwear (on which I assume they’re doing DNA tests) in his apartment. If all that evidence turns out to be real, I can’t fathom how he would be found not guilty.</p>
<p>A Cape Cod woman said she sat next to him at a blackjack table at Foxwoods casino in Connecticut, two days after the alleged crimes. Markoff spent about $600 and hardly said a word, bringing down the upbeat mood at the table.</p>
<p>His behavior was so odd, she said, that she mentioned it to friends after. When she saw his picture in a newspaper after his arrest, she recognized him immediately.</p>
<p>[Philip</a> Markoff, a.k.a. the Craigslist Killer, on Suicide Watch - The Hollywood Gossip](<a href=“http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/04/philip-markoff-aka-the-craigslist-killer-on-suicide-watch/]Philip”>Philip Markoff, a.k.a. the Craigslist Killer, on Suicide Watch)</p>