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I’m not sure how to interpret news like this. Current and past Cornellians, is this good or bad? It seems to me that it takes away a lot of the power of the individual colleges to make their own decisions with regard to spending and such. Plus, like the post asks, is this going to fly with the statutory colleges?</p>
<p>I’m sure CR2005 has some opinion on this ;)</p>
<p>Well, since I was asked…</p>
<p>It’s not going to affect the student experience much. If anything it will improve it. </p>
<p>Right now the problem is that there is a lot of inter-college competition to educate students in the same fields. One small example of this is in education policy – ILR just hired two professors in this field. So did Human Ecology. What currently happens is that if a Human Ecology student wants to take a course in education policy in the ILR School, Hum Ec actually has to pay ILR a couple thousand dollars for that student to take that course. </p>
<p>So you can do the math. If enough students in HumEc have an interest in education policy, HumEc will soon see it worthwhile to hire their own professor in that field to teach a similar course.</p>
<p>Under the new budget model that will change. The undergraduate colleges will no longer have to pay each other to have their students take their courses. That means that Human Ecology can go on improving its offerings in health and consumer policy while ILR can improve its offerings in labor and education policy. And students can continue to take courses in whatever college they want. So everybody wins, except for maybe the dean’s egos.</p>
<p>The colleges that stand to benefit most from this are Ag and Arts. Mostly because they have some fairly “important” departments (from the University’s perspective) that aren’t necessarily the most popular among students. (They are also the two colleges with the biggest budget problems.) Think plant pathology or philosophy. Historically, the students in Hotel, Engineering, or Human Ecology would not have been supporting these programs. Now they will.</p>
<p>This new plan is going to be detrimental to schools like the hotel school. I don’t understand how why the Hotel school, who manages their budget with a surplus, must now participate in budget “allocation” process with schools such as A&S that supports 7 dead languages and acts on a deficit. In order to solve the budget crisis, Cornell needs to start cutting programs that are unpractical and useless in todays society.</p>
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<p>Because there may be Hotelies who are interested in studying the philosophy of gender or who want to go into business in Sweden or the Netherlands?</p>
<p>It’s not that hard to understand why this needs to be done.</p>
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ILR doesn’t seem to like it very much, that much is clear.
But from how Cayuga explained it and my understanding from reading about how the previous arrangement worked, this is a good thing for undergrads.</p>
<p>if we’re all going to the same university, let’s let everyone have every chance to take whatever courses they want. Yes, i guess it does help CALS and CAS and now the hotel school might have to send some of that surplus money to CAS but most of those 7 languages shaped the history of man.</p>
<p>-You could also say that the more arcane departments CAS supports are necessary in order to be considered a premier educational institution where students can get a broad education. This is one of the reasons why we are a top ranked school. Furthermore, CAS has to support these departments (in order to maintain its reputation) whereas Hotel enjoys a lot more leeway since its the leading hotel school and can set its own standards. Some of those languages might be more useful than baking brownies and folding sheets (some of the things Hotel does). A lot of the finance courses at hotel could also be incorporated into AEM and not duplicated at hotel under the new model.</p>
<p>students in The Hotel School neither bake brownies nor fold sheets - they take courses in Economics, Accounting, Management, law, engineering, Computers and yes - Food Prep, Service and Wines.</p>
<p>The school’s curriculum I’m sure has ADVANCED not regressed in the years since I graduated - but I NEVER folded a sheet, or made a bed, or baked a brownie for class. </p>
<p>Please get off your high horse about your course of study vs. others. I don’t think you would much enjoy checking into a hotel run by someone wiht a physics degree but no sense of how to run a hotel.</p>
<p>Jersey, the Hotelies are going to be the ones laughing when they’ve got multiple job offers on the table before senior year is out and you’re packing up to live with mom until you find something. You really don’t know what you’re talking about.</p>
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<p>But to be fair, the Hotelies won’t know what you are talking about whenever Hegel, Darwin, or Faulkner are discussed.</p>
<p>Sorry. I kid because I love.</p>
<p>i should be on my way to med school, hopefully an MBA as well</p>
<p>if you think you are heading to med school you may wish to start now working on your bedside manner…</p>
<p>and I have read Faulkner and taken a group to tour his home.
(and have a darling neighbor who speaks pure Faulknernese)</p>
<p>SHA is a great school for entering the hotel industry. No doubt about that. But it is the least academically rigorous school in cornell.</p>
<p>Said someone who isn’t even at cornell yet… And you know that how?? </p>
<p>I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - my daughter (a hotelie) has taken classes in every college at Cornell except Engineering and CALS, and has gotten some of her best grades in classes outside of the Hotel School (and not easy classes either). When you get to Cornell, talk to some of the Hotel School students about the work they do, both inside and outside of the classroom, and then you will be able to make a fair and accurate assessment of a school which you, at the moment, really know nothing about.</p>
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<p>Judging by the amount of time the Hotelies on my freshman floor spent partying while we all had our noses buried in books…</p>
<p>But seriously. There’s a glint of truth to every stereotype. Obviously it doesn’t hold for your daughter, or a lot of other Hotelies. I once had a Hotelie in my Real Analysis class – figure that one out. </p>
<p>I think one of the major reasons why Hotelies so often irritate other Cornellians is due to the “we have ours, don’t care about the rest of you” attitude that they can so often exude. This is perfectly exemplified by ‘hotelie’ above, and even by the Hotel School itself, which is the only college at Cornell not to mandate two freshman writing seminars. </p>
<p>The fact that Cornell has had to cut back some rather visible language and art programs at the same time that the Hotel School has built useless atrium after useless atrium is just salt in the wound.</p>
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<p>Doesn’t your post only prove my point. I’m not saying hotelies are dumb or their career choice is either. But you said that your daughter got great grades in classes outside of SHA. You are using your child’s performance in the colleges besides SHA to demonstrate how smart she is and thus implying that SHA itself isn’t very demanding.</p>
<p>Hotelies don’t have 2 freshman writing seminars because they have a Managerial Communication class, set up the same way with 17 students, in its place. </p>
<p>That aside, I guess my daughter is the exception then…I have no idea, except that she studies like crazy and so do many of her classmates. I think that hotelies might be perceived to have that attitude because of the sentiment that some other Cornellians have that they don’t work as hard, their classes are easy, etc…</p>
<p>As far as the Atrium goes, there are many events at Cornell that are held at the Hotel School (including many non-hotel events) so it benefits more that the Hotel School.</p>
<p>And jersey indian, my point was that Hotel School classes are not as easy as many people think…meaning that she works equally hard in all of her classes and sometimes gets lower grades in Hotel Classes than in other classes. Look at the median grade report…the majority of Hotel School classes have a median grade of B or lower, and that’s not because the students are less intelligent than students in other schools, it’s because some of the classes are difficult.</p>
<p>Jersey - I’m not impressed with your inability to understand what JustAMom wrote.</p>
<p>It’s bad enough when students from other ivies bash Cornell. Now we have Jersey, who hasn’t even matriculated yet, bashing other Cornelians. And your sense of superiority is nauseating. I hate to break it to you, but there are lots of smart kids at Cornell…and they’re smart enough not to stereotype like you just did.</p>
<p>Check back with us after your 1st year & let us know how those pre-med courses are going.</p>
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<p>That’s right, because I suppose a class learning how to email effectively is more important than one understanding and communicating about elements of the human condition. How come ILR doesn’t have “legal communication” and engineering doesn’t have “technical writing” as substitutes as well? </p>
<p>Because they are colleges that can appreciate the entirety of the undergraduate experience.</p>
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<p>That’s funny. Because the average Hotel School SAT math score is 650, whereas it is 730 across all of the endowed colleges.</p>
<p><a href=“http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000176.pdf[/url]”>http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000176.pdf</a></p>
<p>The Hotel School does its mission well. But it obviously accepts students of lower academic caliber who have a committed interest in the hospitality industry. There’s nothing wrong with that. The Ag School does the same with its agricultural students. Just don’t deny something that’s true.</p>
<p>But the difference is that the Ag School doesn’t have this “holier than thou” attitude. I once had a Hotel School alumna try to tell me that all of Cornell’s prestige comes from its Hotel School. Wow.</p>
<p>The hubris of the Hotelies never ceases to amaze me. Here you are on a campus with students who want to discover a cure for cancer, design a safer automobile, or solve the nutritional problems faced by billions across the globe, and we have a college who gets high on their horse because they are studying how to get hotel guests to spend more money within the hotel?</p>
<p>Give me a break.</p>