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<p>“Just trust me on this one,” he seems to be saying. And if you don’t like it (and many conservatives do not), then you “don’t want to do what’s right for America.” If you don’t agree with GWB, then you just aren’t a patriotic American.</p>
<p>How does he have ANY support left?</p>
<p>“How does he have ANY support lift?”</p>
<p>Are you sure that he does?</p>
<p>Did you see that RIchard Cohen wrote a column today calling Bush a “neo-liberal?”</p>
<p>Doing “what is right for America” may or may not have anything to do with being patriotic. I and many others (60% + or so) think the bill is the best that can be agreed to by both parties and is way better than doing nothing. Thus I find it to be doing what is right for the long-term view of the US. That has nothing to do with the traditional view of what patriotism means.</p>
<p>I’m just so sick of Bush and indeed anybody defining patriotism in such narrow terms. It isn’t a matter of this single issue or that which makes you or me a lover of this country and all it stands for. But I guess since he’s made one single issue (fear) his standard, everything else shall be judged the same way. He’s never really gotten past ‘fer us or agin us’, has he?</p>
<p>I still cannot find the word “patriotism” anywhere in that quote.</p>
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<p>I think your beef is with digimedia who has defined patriotism in this way. The left loves to define things like “patriotism”, “torture”, and “lies” and then use them against Bush or any Republican. The ironic thing is that the only impugning of one’s patriotism that I have seen have come from the left - but I guess they feel empowered since they are the ones making the definition.</p>
<p>I’m a liberal and I don’t much like this bill. But I didn’t think Reagan should have granted amnesty to all the illegals either. On the other hand, beats me what you do with 12 million people…</p>
<p>(For whatever that’s worth! 
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<p>Reading that the opponents “dont want to do whats right for America” isn’t some liberal media type misquoting CiC. That’s GWB’s own words. And if you don’t get that he’s saying ‘the people who oppose this measure want to harm America’ or are unpatriotic (literally ‘don’t love their country’) then what do you get from it?</p>
<p>That the bill is a good idea just like fixing roads or lowering gas prices might be called doing what’s right for America. Now some might think that’s wrong but they could say high gas prices are right for America and that could be true too. Has nothing to do with patriotism–it means the right policy for Amercia.
Bush was just saying everyone can find something to dislike in the bill but it’s a grand Rep-Dem compromise and please don’t kill it over some minor portions you don’t like.</p>
<p>“Doing “what is right for America” may or may not have anything to do with being patriotic. I and many others (60% + or so) think the bill is the best that can be agreed to by both parties and is way better than doing nothing.”</p>
<p>I think it’s marginal; on balance, I’m in the “do-nothing” camp, but I take note of the fact that much of the bill will never be implemented substantially in any case. If Bush wanted to go after employers who employ undocumented workers, there are laws on the books that allow him to do so now. If he wanted to lock up employers who don’t withhold and pay Social Security, etc., there are laws that allow him to do so now. If he wants to build a wall, put (a-hem) National Guard troops on the borders, increase sweeps against undocumented workers, deport lawbreakers, he has the power to do all of those things now, as did previous presidents. Undocumented workers are here now because, in the global scheme of things, Democratic and Republican Administrations have decided that, in the main, that is a good thing.</p>
<p>read: “if you disagree with anything I say, you are unpatriotic.”</p>
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There is a BIG difference between disagreeing on “what is right for America” and being unpatriotic. You and I can disagree on tax cuts, for example, and you could say that my position is not right for America and I would not think that you have impugned my patriotism. Only the left seems to think that if you disagree with their position that you are questioning their patriotism.</p>
<p>Shades of grey, FF.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, we are (as usual) short several thousand workers for this year’s cherry harvest. The pay is great! And without more workers, thousands of pounds of cherries will go unpicked.</p>
<p>If you know of a source of several thousand workers prepared to work hard and receive excellent pay, send 'em our way!</p>
<p>I know many of you hate Bush but you are grasping at straws here. The governor of our state likes to say XXXX is good for Washington State. Governors in every state say that or something similar. It’s a term not loaded with patriotism or anything else. Just means it is good policy for the people of Washington or in this case the USA.</p>
<p>Mini- here in Southern California, there are plenty of immigrant workers outside most every Home Depot while the American construction workers can’t find work. Maybe we could export some to your area.</p>
<p>A couple posts above question how Bush has any support any longer. You need look no further than this message board for examples of those who continue to support him, the war, any and every policy/position he and his administration dream up.</p>
<p>As to this particular issue, this is the “classic” Bush Administration “M.O.” if you don’t agree with them you are against America, you are unpatriotic, etc. If you are a foreign national and not a U.S. ally you are a terrorist. If you vote Democrat we will all die. …Fear mongering is their constant refrain.</p>
<p>They’ve got their rhetoric down and are unrelenting. I think they just need to find the box in the White House Basement that has all the “America-Love it or Leave it” bumper stickers or the ones with the peace symbol that say “Footprint of the American Chicken” and they’ll complete their set of worn out cliches.</p>
<p>A. I don’t support staying in Iraq at the present level. Downsizing is due.
B. Saying a bipartisan developed bill is good for America is the same as saying it’s good public policy, period. You are overwrought. “This proposal is good public policy for America”…Got a problem with that? He’s not talking about China here folks.</p>
<p>“Mini- here in Southern California, there are plenty of immigrant workers outside most every Home Depot while the American construction workers can’t find work. Maybe we could export some to your area.”</p>
<p>You can send 'em. We have virtually no unemployment in our state. Wonder why they hire them there foreign workers when they could get non-foreign ones - and pay either kind off the books? Might it have something to do with their work habits? Or is it that they speak better Spanish?</p>
<p>Our state has prepared videos and sent them to SoCal and Arizona and New Mexico in an effort to lure workers up here, but apparently they are fully employed down there as well. Cherry growers are getting pretty desperate, and the stone fruit season isn’t far behind. Maybe you could think about coming up?</p>
<p>Anyway, if you can get any folks to come up, we’ll guarantee that they and their employers will pay into Social Security and Medicare, to support me and my mom in our old age, even though they won’t ever collect. We’ll guarantee their health care through the Wenatchee Valley Health Centers, the largest employer of white folks in rural eastern Washington, and keep the health centers in business. Employers will compete with each other to provide the best housing. And employers will pay into workers’ comp, so if anything goes wrong. Oh, and while they’ll pay lots and lots of sales taxes, they won’t stay around long enough for any of it to be used on education of their own kids; it will be used to subsidize the education of the local folks, and the schools are great!</p>
<p>So convince folks to come on up, and if you need a quick buck, please think about joining 'em!</p>