Buying A New (or Used) Car Experience During Supply Chain Shortages

It seems every dealership of every make that I drive by are completely out of new cars.

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This is great news! Thanks for sharing!

Recently, I read an article that stated that Toyota is more cautious than other manufacturers when adding on new features and, therefore, use fewer computer chips than others do. While this does not explain Toyota’s ability to overcome the current chip shortage, it helps to understand why Toyota reliability ratings are high = good product which is cautious to integrate new tech into their vehicles. (Let others deal with working out the kinks in new tech offerings.)

We owned a number of Toyotas/Lexus cars in the past three decades. The controls of their cars are designed in such a way that when you get out of your Corolla and jump into the driver’s seat of your Tundra, you feel “at home” and don’t have to scramble around to find the handle or knob that turns on windshield wipers or headlights. This was absolutely not the case with our domestic car makers who decided that every new model they made needed to have a completely redesigned dashboard and whatnot.

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That comfort, familiarity, and reliability that we like from Toyota/Lexus gets absolutely blasted on some other forums as “1990s tech in a 2021 vehicle”. That said, I really wish they would have put CarPlay in our 2019 Toyota (got added in the 2020 model). That is a nice tech feature, but also very familiar since we already know it from the phones.

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Yes, not having a familiar Mac system in my 2018 Prius prime is my major gripe with the car. Since I only drive on Oahu, not a big issue. If I drove in an area I was unfamiliar with, it would be a MUCH bigger issue.

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2019 Prius Prime for us and I’m jealous that you get to drive on Oahu. :slight_smile:

We’ve used the built-in navigation to get up to UCLA and it worked fine, although it was more of a pain to enter the address and the traffic data wasn’t nearly as good. It also doesn’t know of 2 main connectors at either end of the freeway near our house which is weird since they’re not new.

I agree! My first car was a Toyota Celica ('78?) and we’ve had Toyotas throughout the years. They always are somewhat familiar. Can’t argue with that. I’m trying to get a RAV4 Hybrid, so the article you shared gives me some hope.

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My S has used the nav system. I just preview any unfamiliar routes on my phone and ignore car nav system. We don’t often drive to unfamiliar places.

Just saw a Jeep Rubicon with Xtreme Recon package (35 inch tires, 1.5 inch suspension lift, 4.56:1 axle gearings). Very attractive & solid appearance. Cannot find any pictures on the internet which resemble the vehicle that I saw today.

This led me to research the Ford Bronco Badlands & First Edition models (as the 3 other lower Bronco models only offer a three (3) cylinder engine. My research led to this article:

https://caranddriver.com/news/a37292296/ford-

Interesting article with lots of advice & statistics:

How do the chip manufacturing countries respond to new outbreaks? American manufacturing isn’t likely to slow. With the winter approaching, this isn’t a good time for a new strain.

It could slow the global economy.
That would dampen demand for oil and gas.
Supply chain seemed to be improving a bit. This will hurt. Overnight, “Brent crude slid 5.3% to under $77 a barrel, putting the global energy benchmark on track for its biggest one-day loss since July, as traders fretted that limits on movement could reduce demand for transportation fuels.” 10 year t-bill dropped 0.1%. We’ll see what holds.

Yesterday, I drove through small towns in east Texas. Car lots had a few cars that were double spaced on the lots.

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https://reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/carmakers-get-inventive-global-chip-crisis-bites-2021-11-26/

Also, an article in the Detroit newspaper (behind a paywall) is titled:

“Car prices could go up again as auto industry eyes shortage of magnesium.”

Checked our new 2022 vehicle against CarMax & Carvana used models dated 2021 & 2020. The low mileage (9,000 miles to as low as 3,100 miles) vehicles were listed at selling prices quite a bit above what we paid for a new one.

Anyone else notice that Honda dealerships have an ample supply of new vehicles on the lot for sale ?

This site offers links and current stories for 38 different auto manufacturers:

Automakers’ price increases from October, 2020 to October, 2021:

Subaru +9.2%
Industry average +12.9%
Toyota +14.7%
Mazda +15.3%
Honda +15.6%
Stallantis +16.3%
Kia Hyundai +16.9%
Mitsubishi +19.6%
GM +21,4%

Above statistics are as reported by Torque News.

“unless you have to”

Or you think shortages and inflation might last longer than you think. I’ve bought a few things that cost more than I would normally pay
but not sure they’ll be available in the future and if they are what they might cost.

My 9 year old truck was just showing a few spots of rust. Usually another year or two until the rust causes big issues. We live in PA where cars are eaten with rust or destroyed by potholes. I hated to get rid of it. Low miles and no issues but was thinking 2 years out so I bought a new truck. Time will tell if it was a good choice.

Also, it’s not just new/used vehicles. It’s replacement parts. I’ve stocked up on simple things like bulbs, oil filters, brake pads, etc.

SIL just bought a new SUV. Accepted it without the retractable running boards. It’s a downgrade but they didn’t have the chips and weren’t sure how long it would be. My BIL is in same boat. Needs a new truck for work but can’t get several features because no chips. He’ll wait.

MotorTrend Car/SUV/Truck Ultimate Car Rankings October 2021: (19 categories–ranks top 5 in each category except “Compact Hybrid SUV” which ranks just the top 3):

Compact Sedan: 2022 Honda Civic
Midsize Sedan: 2021 Honda Accord
Midsize Hybrid Sedan: 2021 Honda Accord Hybrid

Electric Car: 2021 Tesla Model 3
Luxury Compact Sedan: 2021 Tesla Model 3
Luxury Midsize Sedan: 2022 Mercedes-Benz E-Class

Luxury Full-Size Sedan: 2022 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
Subcompact SUV: 2021 Subaru Crosstek
Compact SUV: Honda CR-V

Compact Hybrid SUV: 2021 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid
Midsize SUV: 2022 Subaru Outback
3-Row SUV: 2022 Subaru Ascent (beat out 2022 Kia Telluride !)

Full-Size 3-Row SUV: 2021 Chevrolet Suburban
Luxury Compact SUV: 2021 Volvo XC60
Luxury Midsize SUV: 2021 Porsche Cayenne

Luxury 3-Row SUV: 2021 Lincoln Aviator
Luxury Full-Size 3-Row SUV: 2021 Lincoln Navigator
Midsize Truck: 2021 Honda Ridgeline

Full-Size Truck: 2021 Ram 1500 (beat out perennial top selling Ford F-150)

Honda was top rated in 5 categories, while Subaru was top-ranked in 3 categories.