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Thank you for this information. I will definitely ask her counselor. I believe the de calc doesnt require you to use the grade if you decide half way through the year that you don’t want to pay for the credits. It’s quite confusing. Lol
I think this needs to be layered, or taken in steps.
Calculus is often (perhaps not always) required for students who major in biology. By avoiding calculus in HS it may, depending on the college and strength of the student, impact how they do within the biology major. BS students at my daughter’s school need calculus to fulfill the biology requirements; I don’t believe BA students need calc. My daughter used her AP credits.
Calculus is of greater benefit than DE stats, imo, because the first step toward grad school is doing well during undergrad.
Look at what classes are necessary within the major, and then decide.
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Thank you! I think this is a good approach.
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Definitely worth understanding the details. If there is a HS level (non-AP or DE) calc that may be worth considering as well.
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In our experience, all dual enrollment credits transferred in for my daughter’s pre-health/bio intended major even if required prereqs of her major. Her calc, physics, bio1 + lab, psych, soc, english, history etc. came in on her transcript as TR credit and allowed her to bypass these prereqs of the major and begin at Bio 2 (for better or worse, depending on the student) and also allowed her to ease into freshman year with a lower courseload (she took 12cr fall). I’m sure this is both school AND major specific and may have additional layer of impact if applying to grad programs or med school. It’s alot to consider the best approach. Can she pull the curriculum guide from programs/schools she is interested in? Maybe even reaching out to an enrollment specialist for that program may be of huge assistance.
Both of my kids took calculus, as that was what was recommended.
Look at the BA vs BS in biology. The BA might not require calculus and might still provide the necessary prerequisites for PA programs. I think this was suggested.
There is always the possibility that your daughter might change her mind about PA school, and may find herself having to take additional prerequisites that she did not plan on taking.
When applying to graduate or professional schools, they may want all courses, grades, and transcripts from all colleges attended. Transferred credit typically will count as part of the record from the college where it was earned, not the college it was transferred to.
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Yes that’s a good reason for sticking with hs classes since calc is offered.
If the student is applying EA, even a C won’t hurt - unless deferred and asked for first semester grades. Or if an RD asks.
Looked at few of those schools’ biology major requirements and saw calculus, although sometimes an easier version for life and social science is allowed. Also saw statistics, but did not dig around to see if it was calculus based or how likely a general statistics course transfer credit would be accepted.
I would say if she has taking pre calc and doing well, then the calculus class would be better than stats.
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A regular calculus class will not be on her college transcript for grad school. A DE stats class will.
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Depends on what the DE class covers. Does it cover what is ordinarily two semesters of college calculus or just one? Is it DE at the high school or actually at a local college?
AP calculus AB would be the first semester of college calculus plus a bit more over a year of high school, so it will be a gentler introduction to calculus than most college calculus courses.
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This makes sense. So while no effect on GPA and won’t show as a letter grade at her undergrad institution, she will send the transcript from the local college where credit was taken and the grad program will see letter grade i.e., A in Stats (not TR) as it appears on her current undergrad transcript?
Yes, they will want to see whatever courses and grades are on her record from the college she took the courses at.
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The de class takes place at the highschool and actually only gives the students .5 boost to their gpa vs the ap which is a .10 boost so I’m assuming the de is less rigorous.
Your grade is likely not relevant - most colleges will base your decision on 3 years of grades. Some will 3.5 but for EA schools, they won’t. If you get deferred, they might.
But again, DE is a college class (even at the HS). If you are concerned about it, the grade will travel with you. The AP grade won’t. So it’s a good practice class for your student to be stronger in college if they take it again.
My kid’s DE English are on their transcripts - two different colleges. Just the credit I believe though (not the grade). But each school is different.
You may want to see if the course description matches up to a one semester or one year of calculus, and whether it is calculus for math, physics, and engineering majors or an easier one for business, life science, or social science majors.
The DE class is stats, not calc.
Is it offered as a non-DE class as well? I know the high school DE classes can vary a lot from place to place. At my sons’ school they have regular high school classes that they can “claim” for DE credit. They’ve not done that because we were advised that there wasn’t much value (the classes that were suggested would have only earned general ed credit). So we had a choice for it. If you have a choice, maybe just don’t take the DE credit?