Calgary, Canada grade schools inquiry

<p>Posters on CC appear to know a lot about a lot of different subjects so I thought I’d ask a random one. :slight_smile: </p>

<p>We’re being transferred to Calgary from US sometime this spring by my husband’s employer. I have 3 children in elementary schools. I assume the schools would be better than where I live now (small town OK, my kids are in private school) but I haven’t found the equivalent of goodschools.net for Canada. </p>

<p>Does anyone have any opinions, experience etc with the schools in Alberta?<br>
Thanks…</p>

<p>When we lived in Ontario, our kids were in elementary and middle schools. A difference at that time was that giftedness (I noticed your screenname) was considered under the same legislation as all other Special Needs. This was a very different understanding than in the U.S., and protected the delivery of gifted services much more in Canada by law. I don’t recall if that was PRovincial or national law.</p>

<p>Districts (at least in Ontario) had to provide in some way for services. Regretfully, as we left Canada in 1994, there was already a pullback in how they defined delivery of those services. Still, they had to do “something” for gifted children; it just became more watered down in 1994 for Ontario.</p>

<p>I would suggest you find out if Giftedness is in any way covered under the Special Needs Education laws that cover public schools in Alberta, and take it from there. That’s not a complete answer to your inquiry, but just the little piece I know from experience. </p>

<p>Also, when we moved to a new city within Ontario (from Ottawa to a Toronto suburb), we had to prove with all kinds of testing documentation that our kids were gifted AND receiving services already. So be prepared with any test results, letters, descriptions of how your former school applied differentiated education to your children, curriculum documents - whatever’s in writing, gather it up. </p>

<p>If there’s no curriculum document already written, perhaps the dean of your current private school can write a letter describing how education is delivered with differentiations of curriculum for your gifted children. In other words, you may have to prove the children are accustomed to receiving a gifted or enriched curriculum thus far in their schooling. </p>

<p>For us, this helped the transfer. Without all our documentation, they would’ve put the kids into regular settings in September until such time as they could test, resulting in at least a half-year delay in placing them into the available gifted programs. The documentation I presented got them in from the start, which was a better transition for them in a new school district, new city. </p>

<p>If you have advance notice, perhaps you can find out what I.Q. tests are administered in that district, and arrange for same to be administered and all done, before you arrive?</p>

<p>ETA: Biggest schooling difference for me, moving from U.S. to Canadian metropolitan areas was this: Canadian schools are funded and administered by Province, not by local property taxes and a local school board. That meant more equality and universality of schooling across the city and province. </p>

<p>Before I arrived, I wanted to know which neighborhood or suburb to buy housing, in order to find “best schools.” I was told, “That’s a very American question.” Later, when I worked in Ottawa public schools as a substitute teacher, I saw again that schools were not much different across the city, in richer and poorer neighborhoods. Perhaps that will also be true for you in Calgary. It takes off a lot of pressure as to where you will decide to live within (or nearby) Calgary, if school offerings are more-or-less even handed. </p>

<p>I hope you find good schooling for your family! Good luck with the big move.</p>

<p>I just remembered another big difference. In Candian schools, they will teach your children that Canada won the War of 1812 against the U.S. </p>

<p>Here, we teach it as a stalemate.</p>

<p>When my son came home from middle school saying, “Canada really whupped the U.S. in 1812…” my H asked to see his textbook, and therre it was! </p>

<p>I learned wonderful lessons in Conflict Resolution by living in Canada for 8 years. They are very good practitioners of that skill.</p>

<p>When we returned to the U.S., moving our children into public middle and high schools, many teachers commented on their “wonderful manners.” My D told me, “all we’re doing is saying ‘please’ and ‘thank you’.”</p>

<p>Thank you so much for the information! If nothing else I know not to ask where the “good schools” are!
Its very interesting about how the schools are funded. I wonder then if you have any choice where your kids attend school. My kids actually haven’t been tested for GT because we go to private school but I’d want them to go to a school where gifted is offered and I noticed not all schools have a program. (that is if they’re eligible. They’re all very bright and do well at school but my screen name is actually me making fun of myself signing up for a college search website when my oldest is in 2nd grade…:)</p>

<p>Did your kids have any problems adjusting to schools academically when they came back to the US?
Thanks again for your help!</p>

<p>Another wrinkle to consider in Alberta is the existence of public Catholic schools:
[CSSD</a> Home](<a href=“- Calgary Catholic School District”>http://www.cssd.ab.ca/)</p>

<p>A bit of culture shock for Americans.</p>

<p>momofgifted3, one thing to consider is that every school board handles gifted programming differently. I had Ds who were identified as gifted in Ontario and we were fortunate enough to be in a school board that had excellent gifted programming, including a fantastic self-contained program. Neighboring school boards did it differently, and occasionally, even the cut-offs were different. This is something you will have to investigate thoroughly at the schools you visit. </p>

<p>I don’t know how it’s done in Alberta school boards but if your children have not been tested, then it’s unlikely that they would allow them into the gifted programs. I know that that would not happen here in Ontario. They would have to go through the testing process. In our school board, the gifted program cut-off is the 98th percentile. What grades are they in? Currently here, in the local school board, they have expanded the gifted programming with an entry in Grade 1 for some children (which has been a cause for much discussion) but the actual formalized testing is done in Grade 4 for entry in Grade 5. Because gifted is an actual Special Ed. designation here, programming must be provided for children who are identified as such. All children will then have an IEP for their remaining years in the system.</p>

<p>The public system in Canada, generally speaking, is far superior to the public system in many areas of the U.S. As paying3 pointed out, education is funded mostly at the provincial level so that the public system is equitable and it is, for the most part. Of course, there will be some differences from neighborhood to neighborhood, particularly in the big cities but there is no need to find the right place to buy a house so that your kids can attend a specific school, like there is in many areas of the U.S. Private school is really unnecessary for most kids in Canada. We certainly could have afforded it for our Ds but never felt the need to spend all that money unnecessarily. They all received an excellent education in the public system.</p>

<p>As for having the choice as to which school your child attends, you’ll have to inquire about that. District lines are usually drawn to accomodate a certain geographic area and without an optional attendance program, it’s unlikely that you’d be able to attend a school outside your area. I’m not sure why you’d want to, for that matter.</p>

<p>And, yes, Tom is right. Catholic schools are publicly funded in Canada, a bone of contention for many. You’re unlikely to find gifted programming in the Catholic boards, though.</p>

<p>Here are rankings, if you like numbers. At this page are links to both elementary and highschools in the whole province of Alberta. You can select on Calgary and look at the schools (they cover both private and public). Alberta is a really strong province in terms of education (one of the best, maybe the best).</p>

<p>[How</a> do Alberta schools compare? | Fraser Institute](<a href=“http://www.fraserinstitute.org/report-cards/school-performance/alberta.aspx]How”>http://www.fraserinstitute.org/report-cards/school-performance/alberta.aspx)</p>

<p>Calgary is a great city. Just the right size, super friendly, clean, great for families, booming yet still affordable. When I was visiting in October, I turned on the news and it cracked me up: the headline story was about how hard it was for employers to find employees, and all the downsides to having an unemployment rate at the lowest possible level.</p>

<p>Not sure about AB, but BC has a very different math teaching style. Instead of a year each of algebra, geometry, algebra II/Trig, calc, etc., one would see middle & HS students with three terms made up of algebra, geometry, and trig. If you see transfers back and forth between Canada and the US involving HS years, this could cause a complication.</p>

<p>momofgifted3, as to the issue raised by somemom, the Ministries of Education here (provincial) make their curriculum available online so if you have concerns about this, you can see what the math curriculum is for Alberta and compare. The configuration of which subject is taught in which year may be a little different but people move back and forth across the border all the time and I don’t know any personally who have had a big problem with this. Our girls didn’t have any issues when we did it, and two of them were in high school at the time. In fact, they were ahead in math for their grade level and were accomodated by their new U.S. school in that respect. As I said, though, this may vary province to province so is worth checking out if it’s a concern to you.</p>

<p>And I agree with starbright that Calgary is a great city. It’s currently booming economically and a good place to be!</p>

<p>I do business with firms in Calgary and most of the executives live west of the city center.</p>

<p>Thank you all for this information! The Fraser Institute website is great, just what I needed, lots of data. They list parent avg incomes. And that they rank the private as well as public on the same scale. I suppose all schools must take the same exams? </p>

<p>I’ve read that the west/south/southwest parts of the city are very nice. We hope to only take one car, and I wouldn’t mind living as close to the action as possible. I’ve been living in a small town too long. I also heard some of the schools in the suburbs are dealing with over crowding, which is never fun. I’m sure it will take some years for the schools to catch up with the growth.</p>

<p>I don’t know if we’ll still be in Calgary for my kids high school years. Currently the rule is you can be an expat for 5 years-you do have the option of staying but with out the expat benefits I believe…</p>

<p>We’re just waiting now for the person who will okay the transfer to get back from vacation. Very rude of him to take off while we sit and wait :slight_smile:
Calgary and the oil business is booming up there (and in the states), my H recruits at many top schools and the supply isn’t keeping up with demand so if anyone has kids interested in engineering, petroleum/reservoir or chemical process engineers might be something to consider.</p>

<p>I dn’t know about Alberta, but I am fairly sure that, like the province in which we live, the curriculum is mandated by the province so its identical in both public and private schools. Hence its more easy to compare across all schools. They statistically control for family income given the obvious concern that children’s performance is more highly correlated with socio-economic background than the school itself. So this gets a bit closer at capturing what difference the school might make (independent of the family circumstances). As with all such rankings, it’s full of holes and not without controversy, but it does give you some very general reference point to work with. If you see some public schools showing up year after year in the top five, that probably points you in the right direction at least. </p>

<p>We are professors so we have loads of dual-citizen academic friends whose kids have gone to school in both countries (either because of a move or, more commonly, due to sabbaticals). I’ve heard it is a bit apples and oranges with the math sequence since Canadian schools, at least in our province, use a ‘spiral’ curriculum, so you get the major math topics integrated every year of highschool, but I’ve not heard of any real problems with kids adjusting. You could even argue it’s great for their math development to transcend these differences.</p>

<p>Re: test results. In Ontario, there is the EQAO (Education Quality and Accountability Office). You can google to get an idea of what types of information they compile surrounding testing. All test results are publicly available, school to school here. My guess is that Alberta probably has something similar and that you can inquire of any school to get that information. As starbright says, if you see top test results year after year for some schools, that’s a good sign that’s worth investigating.</p>

<p>^ I’d bet money on it. Maybe a leap in logic here, but given that Alberta is the most ‘conservative’ province in Canada (by Canadian standards, that is!), I suspect they will be much more supportive of standardized testing and publicizing of results.</p>