<p>DJB360: The daughter of a friend of mine got into San Diego State last year from a public high school in San Jose (in the Cambrian area) with slightly less than a 4.0 (and no APs) and she received merit aid as well.</p>
<p>I’m pretty sure most Cal states, UCR and UCSC would accepted B students.</p>
<p>OOS is hard for Public Cal’s … but if you’re in like top 10% of your HS class in Cali, you auto get into 1 of them i know… not sure if that helps</p>
<p>Update–here’s the status so far:</p>
<p>UCSC – denied
Cal Poly SLO – denied
CSULB – denied
SDSU – denied</p>
<p>SFSU --accepted</p>
<p>Haven’t heard from UCSB or Cal Poly Pomona yet but we can guess what they will say. Daughter just heard from UCSC tonight and is devastated since that has been her 1st choice since end of her sophomore year of hs. This is so hard. SFSU was her last resort when applying but I think she’ll accept their offer and will be the best student she can be there!</p>
<p>I am very surprised by the denial from UCSC.
Last year’s freshman profile for UCSC says that for the GPA band 3.30-3.69, 65% were admitted. For the GPA band 3.7-3.99, 92% were admitted.
Has she considered an appeal to UCSC with the addition of the fall semester grades? It seems like she is so close statistically to an admit.</p>
<p>The UCSC website has a detailed discussion of the appeals process for March 2011 and what information is helpful in changing a decision. She will want to get the letter in ASAP.</p>
<p>
Not so. Now that UC Merced is rolling along, UCR has become more competitive and 3.0 won’t get you in… 3.3-3.4 is about as low as they go, barring other factors. UCSC is at about 3.5 as the lowest under normal circumstances. There are 4-5 Cal States that won’t take below 3.4 either – San Luis Obispo, San Diego, Long Beach, Pomona.</p>
<p>This recession has caused many more students who would and do get into privates like Tulane, Baylor, LMU, Boston University, etc. to consider these in-states for financial reasons (many even commute), which drives up the compeitiveness from Berkeley on down to the Cal States. I would even say the average GPA for these instates had gone up .1 to .15 in the past four years, and ave. SAT at least 40-50 points.</p>
<p>
True, but let’s peel that onion back a little. 3.3 - 3.69 is a HUGE band. It’s probably like this:</p>
<p>3.3-3.4:
-SAT <1100: 10%
-SAT >1100: 25%</p>
<p>3.4-3.5:
-SAT <1100: 20%
-SAT >1100: 50%</p>
<p>3.5-3.6:
-SAT <1100: 30%
-SAT >1100: 55%</p>
<p>3.6-3.7: 75%
-SAT <1100: 60%
-SAT >1100: 85%</p>
<p>Son was declined from UCSC last night too. Declined there AND SLO yesterday, his first rejections, after 8 admissions (many of which are OOS with merit!). </p>
<p>California is a tough audience! </p>
<p>Sad face. </p>
<p>Sounds like Riverside might be a no go too (“UCR has become more competitive and 3.0 won’t get you in… 3.3-3.4 is about as low as they go, barring other factors”, although here <a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/campuses/files/riverside.pdf[/url]”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/campuses/files/riverside.pdf</a> it says, last year, students are in the 3.0-3.29 band have a 75 percent admit rate. Guess they have the other factors.</p>
<p>It also suggests kids with my sons SAT would have close to a 90 percent admit rate, although I guess those kids tend to have higher GPA’s. </p>
<p>He is 3.1/1230/1890</p>
<p>Actually, I just looked up UC Santa Cruz for the 2009 entering class in the UC Statfinder, and get these chances: <a href=“http://statfinder.ucop.edu/statfinder/default.aspx[/url]”>http://statfinder.ucop.edu/statfinder/default.aspx</a></p>
<p>UC Weighted Capped GPA 3.40 - 3.59
SAT (single sitting) 1500 - 1799 54%
SAT (single sitting) 1800 - 2099 83%</p>
<p>The UC Statfinder is very helpful in narrowing down chances, by campus, with a combination of GPA and SAT. It is important to adjust for a score not in the middle of a large range (toward the top, higher chance than listed, and toward the bottom, lower chance). It is also important to adjust for Life-Challenged vs. Not-Life-Challenged. Life-Challenged are things like working lots of hours during the school year, Single Parent Home, First Generation College, Low Income, etc. Not Life Challenged would take a person in the middle of the statistical range and move them to the lower edge of the band (a half-band move).</p>
<p>Shrink – thank goodness you have options. Actually SeismoMom’s DD has a fine option is SF State. </p>
<p>I should add regarding the “Life Challenged” adjustment – I’m not talking about URM. That was made illegal for CA public universities some years ago. There are plenty of “Life Challenged” non URM like Asians and Caucasians. URM doens’t mean anything to UC or Cal State admissions, just life challenges.</p>
<p>The CA landscape has changed, most certainly. It looks on paper like SeismoMom’s DD had a better than 50% chance of getting into UCSC, but remember to make the adjustment for Life Challenged or not… that could have taken a 55% and moved it to 40% given the same stats.</p>
<p>SeismoMom – sorry for the shock. Hopefully your DD will really enjoy SF State, and not even want to try the transfer to UCSC… I hope you will find the wisdom and emotional strength to help her see something positive in all this. Your DD needs you now more than ever to show strength.</p>
<p>Hmmm…so I think I am getting a 97 percent admit rate for UCS if my son had applied in 09. He has a small “challange”, but i did not factor that in or out.Smae numbers WOULD have had a better than 50 percent admit rate to UCSC in 09, and he didn’t even get WAITLISTED this year!</p>
<p>^ is SUPPOSED to say</p>
<p>Hmmm…so I think I am getting a 97 percent admit rate for UCR if my son had applied in 09. He has a small “challange”, but I did not factor that in or out. Same numbers WOULD have had a better than 50 percent admit rate to UCSC in 09, and he didn’t even get WAITLISTED this year!</p>
<p>BTW, son DID get admitted to Cal Poly Pomona.</p>
<p>An appeal is in the works! You are absolutely right–there is nothing to lose and everything to gain. </p>
<p>FYI: Some info for applicants not admitted for Fall 2011 linked from UCSC admission status portal (edited by me):</p>
<p>How many freshman applications did you receive this year?</p>
<p>28,105, approximately 400 more than last year.</p>
<p>How many freshmen did you offer admission to this year?</p>
<p>We admitted 19,074 students to enroll a class of 3,500 students. Our enrollment target is about 200 more than the number of freshmen who enrolled for fall 2010.</p>
<p>How many freshmen did you deny admission to this year?</p>
<p>8,874 freshman applicants were denied admission.</p>
<p>What was the cutoff of your Comprehensive Review Score (CRS)?</p>
<p>UC-eligible applicants needed to earn a CRS of 5,330 to be selected for admission. The highest CRS this year was 7,910 on our 9,200-point scale.</p>
<p>What was the average GPA of your admits?</p>
<p>Our mean GPA for freshman admits was 3.73 , although the GPA is only one component of our Comprehensive Review Score.</p>
<p>What were the average test scores of your admits?</p>
<p>Our mean SAT Reasoning scores were: Critical Reading 580.50, Mathematics 605.27 , Writing 590.69 , and Total 1776.46 . Our mean ACT scores were: Reading 26.50, Mathematics 26.54, and English/Writing 25.00, Comprehensive 26.48. Our mean SAT Subject scores varied depending on the examinations taken by the applicant. Test scores comprise only one component of our Comprehensive Review score.</p>
<p>Does UCSC have a waitlist?</p>
<p>Yes. UCSC offered 2,010 denied freshmen the opportunity to be considered on a waitlist. All these students were UC-eligible. The waitlist is for freshman applicants who were not offered admission due to enrollment limitations, but who are considered excellent candidates for admission, should space become available later in the admissions cycle. Students who have this option have been notified by the Office of Admissions and will have to respond to UCSC by April 15 if they want to be on the UCSC waitlist. Being placed on the waitlist does not guarantee admission to UC Santa Cruz.</p>
<p>How did you select students to be offered the waitlist option?</p>
<p>If a student’s Comprehensive Review Score was between 5,130 and 5,325, they would have been denied admission and offered the waitlist option.</p>
<p>If I was not selected for admission, may I appeal the decision?</p>
<p>UC Santa Cruz does not set aside space in our class for students who appeal admissions decisions. Every application has been reviewed using our selection process. Although few appeals will likely be granted due to enrollment constraints, students who choose to appeal should follow the procedure listed below. The appeal deadline will be strictly enforced.</p>
<p>Appeal Information - Fall 2011</p>
<p>To appeal our denial you must present new information that was not contained in your original application and personal statement. If there is nothing new or compelling, an appeal may not be appropriate. If your senior year grades have gone down, or if you have already earned a grade of D or F in any ‘a-g’ course in your senior year, an appeal will not be granted. To appeal you must submit the following:</p>
<ol>
<li>A letter of appeal addressed to:</li>
</ol>
<p>Michael McCawley, Associate Director of Admissions</p>
<p>Office of Admissions-Hahn</p>
<p>UC Santa Cruz</p>
<p>1156 High Street</p>
<p>Santa Cruz, CA 95064</p>
<p>ATTN: Appeals</p>
<p>The letter must come from you (not a parent or counselor) and should contain the reason(s) why you feel an exception should be made on your case. The letter must also note the courses in which you are currently enrolled (8th semester). If you are proposing summer session course work to fulfill any requirement, please include this information in the letter.</p>
<ol>
<li><p>A complete transcript including 7th semester grades. An unofficial transcript is acceptable. A complete set of required test scores is also needed to review an appeal. Check the my.ucsc.edu portal to see if all your official test scores are on file with UCSC.</p></li>
<li><p>A single letter of recommendation (optional) from a source who can speak to your academic strengths.</p></li>
</ol>
<p>All information must be received in one packet, postmarked by March 31, 2011. Faxed appeals or e-mail appeals will not be given consideration. Appeals filed by someone other than the student, or appeals that are incomplete, will not be given consideration.</p>
<p>Decisions will be communicated no later than the week of April 18, 2011. Students whose appeals are successful will be required to meet the May 1 Statement of Intent to Register deadline.</p>
<p>Seismomom and Shrinkrap: Did your S and D apply to UCR or UCM? I would imagine either or both of these would be a good shot. My S was accepted to SDSU, UCR, UCM, Sac State, and denied at SLO. Is seriously looking at both UCR and UCM.</p>
<p>My son applied to UCR, but I don’t know WHAT to think at this point, and he had no interest in any UC but UCSB ( ha!) up until now. He’s done much better in the PNW admission pool, and for about the same money at privates. Just have to convince him to check them out with an open mind.</p>
<p>He also got into U of Pacific, Chico, Monterey, Sonoma State, and Cal Poly Pomona, and Pomona is looking interesting. Still waiting on SDSU, but I don’t think he has checked on that portal.</p>
<p>@crizello–my D applied to UCM. We visited a few weeks ago and she really liked the campus, housing, the looks of the biology program, but is somewhat dubious about living in/near Merced for 4 years. I think it would be a great option for her but it’s not my decision, ultimately.</p>
<p>@Shrinkrap – congrats to your son on getting into Cal Poly Pomona! Your stats comparing admissions in 09 to this year confirm my suspicions–timing was really bad as far as getting into CA public schools this year. I, too, think DD could have been admitted in 09 and 10, but not this year.</p>
<p>Anyone know if an appeal can change a waitlist to an acceptance? Or do appeals only count for outright rejection? My D was waitlisted today and is heartbroken :-(</p>
<p>Same with my S for UCM. Really liked the campus, housing, programs. Trying to decide which location (small school or larger school) is best.</p>
<p>if you were wait listed how good are your odds of getting in? also can you appeal being on the waitlist of would you have to be rejected first?</p>