Coloradomama we Californians that are going to Colorado know of the conservative nature of the campus and are all funded by the liberal Hollywood elite to infiltrate the campus and brainwash the minds of unknowing conservative students… (tongue in cheek)
I think the reality is there are around 3500 high schools in California. The sheer number of students graduating that land in every state in the nation is going to be higher then other states. Sorry Coloradomama, we are everywhere not just in Colorado…and we are multiplying…
This statement makes no sense. Am I understanding this correctly, all (most?) Californians are bigoted? California is the most (or certainly near the top) diverse state in the US. So, so students from California want to go to less diverse locations for college?
LOL Translation…'we value and support diversity, the kind that looks good in a photograph, but we draw the line at hanging with people who hold different political opinions. You can LOOK different but you have to think like we do!
Many non white people hold conservative viewpoints on many issues. But many such people refuse to align with “social conservatives” whom they see as wanting them not to be here, wanting them to be second class citizens, or simply refusing to see that racial discrimination exists and is a significant problem.
My brother is paid to ski. Five days per week, sometimes 6. If he skis 110 days per year that is a lot. No college kid is skiing ‘hundreds’ of times a year. Even at Eldora.
Boulder’s main employers for years were IBM and Ball Aerospace. Very conservative. Two of my most conservative friends were raised in Boulder. I worked in the courthouse there and very few juries had any college students (or professors, or staff) on them. They were ‘townies’ and very conservative. For all the liberalness of the students, they don’t vote or register their cars in Boulder County. It costs a LOT to live in Boulder county, and those rich people are out working every day to make their money. Not skiing, not doing marches and sit-ins.
Don’t forget the Wisconsin and Michigan were red states last election. Madison and Ann Arbor are liberal, but sometimes the conservative elements sneak in.
True. If it seems like there are “a lot of Californians” in some group, first ask yourself whether it is more than 12% of the people. If it’s less than 12%, California is actually underrepresented by population.
"Many non white people hold conservative viewpoints on many issues. But many such people refuse to align with “social conservatives” whom they see as wanting them not to be here, wanting them to be second class citizens, or simply refusing to see that racial discrimination exists and is a significant problem. "
Are the CA kids brainwashing the CO kids, or is it the other way around… :-? :-?
CA kids like CU Boulder because it’s fairly well ranked, especially in programs like engineering (which tend to be “impacted” in the UC/CSU system), offers decent merit aid, and it looks like a lot of fun. I really think being “white” has little to do with it’s appeal to most CA kids vs education(and access), money and fun.
California has 387,860 state residents (undergraduates) enrolled in institutions. Of these 41,827 are enrolled out of state.
California also has 45,805 OOS students enrolled in CA institutions.
Consider that three smaller states, export almost as many students (Illinois at 33K, NJ at 34K and NY at 34K) as the MUCH large CA, I think it highlights how satisfied in general, CA students are with the in-state system.
Another way to look at it is by net migration. CA has a positive net migration of 4K, while Illinois is -16K and NJ is -29K.
Residence and migration of all first-time degree/certificate-seeking undergraduates in degree-granting postsecondary institutions, by state or jurisdiction:
@sushiritto – you’d be amazed how many California kids I’ve heard say that they were relieved that at Boulder they don’t have to compete with so many Asian students… And as someone who lived for decades in California, and went to Cal, yes, I found it startling. I really do think the “whiteness” of Boulder is part of its appeal. As sad as that sounds.
“Just my opinion, but I do think that good instate students are somewhat underserved in CA.”
@my2caligirls – many on this thread and in CA would agree with you! And your daughter is case in point. In most of the country stats with “just over a 4.0 UC GPA and 30 ACT” would have made the state flagship a safety, not a reach.
@katliamom I understand that’s your experience and it sounds, at a minimum, racially insensitive, possibly racist. Living in CA all my life, I’ve never heard anyone say they’re going out of state “so they don’t have to compete with so many Asian students.” Have these students seen Silicon Valley?
I’d be a failure as a dad, if my children said that to me. If you want to be the best, then you have to compete against the best, whoever they may be.
So, these kids are willing to go Boulder rather than attend a UC? If you’re smart, you’re smart. Period. A relative of mine is a student athlete at Cal, he/she is non-Asian, and will graduate with a 3.9 something. Unfortunately, the smart gene skipped over my portion and generation (specifically ME) of the family tree. :))
That is mostly a size issue. If UCB and UCLA were the only two UCs but had 90,000 to 100,000 undergraduates each (i.e. about the capacity of the current UC system), their size relative to the state population would be more comparable to that of flagships in many other states. That would mean that competition for admission would be more comparable as well.
As it is now, there is the notion that the UC system is the “flagship system”, but most students probably do not think of going to the eight or ninth “flagship” (UCR or UCM) as comparable in prestige to attending the top or second flagship (e.g. in Oregon, Arizona, Alabama, etc.) even if the latter is less selective than UCR or UCM.
I don’t know the backstory of the CA kids I was referring to (pre-meds at Boulder, I met quite a few of them through a program I did some work for) but I doubt they picked Boulder to avoid Asians… I rather suspect they didn’t get into the UCs they wanted, so they went to Colorado instead. The relative lack of highly disciplined Asian students on campus came up in a conversation about GPAs in pre-med requirements… these kids apparently felt that made it easier for them to get those must-have As in science courses. I doubt the comments were based on any data, lol. Rather an impression. But it was strong enough for more than one student to have mentioned it.
Why is it surprising that kids want to leave the hyper competitive experience and try a different experience that is more ‘chill’? Why does this have to be Asian vs White @katliamom ? Because a lot of that hyper competitiveness comes from Asian students? Maybe.
Perhaps they want to see snow, mountains, etc… instead of beaches and hot days. Something different than their current experience. What’s wrong with that?
I can tell you that when visiting Brown - 2 of the students that did the presentation mentioned how they chose Brown because they came from hyper-competitive high schools in Chicago and California. They loved Brown’s less competitive (‘chill’) vibe. Were those schools they came from majority Asian? Who knows, maybe yes or maybe no. Its besides the point. They wanted a change from their high school experience in very competitive districts.
Again, @suzyQ7 I’m just a messenger and observer. Certainly Boulder offers a change of pace for kids who grew up in California’s suburbs. But its whiteness is something people have talked about for years.
I met an Asian guy from Fremont CA who said he was going to Wake Forest to get away from the hyper-competitiveness of the Bay Area Asian kids.
He told me that a lot of Asians-and Caucasians- feel that way.
The stress level is extremely unhealthy and quite often college is “a lot easier than high school.”
That’s what he said.