<p>Hi, im freshman next year at penn state after orientation ididn’t like my general education courses so ichanged them from GEOG & PHIL to ASTRO 001 AND PSYCH 100</p>
<p>is that okay ? or Aerospace engineering major can’t have GN as General education course…</p>
<p>another question what does it mean if i took MATHS 40 instead of maths 140 … would that affect my graduation in 4 years?</p>
<p>thanks</p>
<p>[University</a> Bulletin: Undergraduate Degree Programs: General Education in the Curriculum](<a href=“http://bulletins.psu.edu/undergrad/generaleducation/generalEd5]University”>http://bulletins.psu.edu/undergrad/generaleducation/generalEd5)</p>
<p>You want to be familiar with the academic bulletins, and the “blue sheet” academic plan for your major, that will help. Generally speaking, GenEd requirements can’t be met by classes that are reqs for your major — Econ majors can’t use Econ 102 for the quantitative (math) gen ed, art majors can’t use their reqs for the GA requirements…</p>
<p>So, if ASTR001 is not a class listed in your AERO major, you should be able to take it for your GN. EVERYONE has GN requirements, regardless of major. That’s why they are “general” . GenEd is the term for the whole group. The groups within GENeds are GN, GA, GS, etc. Those vary slightly between BA and BS degrees. Poke around the link.</p>
<p>One class will affect your sequencing, but in engineering that is a big deal so be careful about tinkering.</p>
<p>first I’d recommend not accepting advice on matters like this on internet forums. How can you trust the accuracy? Now, with that said, I advise students at PSU.
You indicated that you want to major in AE. I don’t know the requirements, but I’ll go out on a limb and assume you will be taking multiple semesters of physics. Thus, your GN will be fulfilled by your major requirements. You could take the courses above, but they won’t fulfill any requirements for your proposed major.
I am also sure you’d have to take multiple Calculus courses for your major (MATH140 and above) so you will have to take MATH140.
Some friendly advice. I mean no offense. MATH40 is an introductory math class for students who may need extra instruction before calculus. If this is what they recommend, math may not be your strong suit. I think you should seriously evaluate how comfortable you are with math. You will have to complete many challenging courses to complete a major like AE that are very mathematics intensive.
I recommend that you speak with an engineering advisor ASAP</p>
<p>What happened to Iowa State ?</p>
<p>@greenbutton : but why it doesn’t say anything about GN here ? <a href=“http://www.engr.psu.edu/AcademicPlans/Altoona/AerospaceEngineering.pdf[/url]”>http://www.engr.psu.edu/AcademicPlans/Altoona/AerospaceEngineering.pdf</a> </p>
<p>@luvthej :thanks for the advice , but they recommend courses depending on what? Placement exams or Highschool classes and SAT score?</p>
<p>@XtremePower : i changed my mind about iowa state , penn state is more expensive but i think it deserves they money and iowa is too far.</p>
<p>You need to become VERY familiar with the College of Engineering Undergraduate Program Guide - <a href=“http://www.engr.psu.edu/AdvisingCenter/ProgramsGuide/2013-14/InformationSection.pdf[/url]”>http://www.engr.psu.edu/AdvisingCenter/ProgramsGuide/2013-14/InformationSection.pdf</a> The link to the University Bulletin that greenbutton gave is another very important document to become familiar with. </p>
<p>You need to understand what classes you need to take. It has been my experience that you can not rely on anyone else even advisers (sorry luvthej). Luvthej is correct that you definitely should not rely on websites even CC for correct answers to questions like this. We can help but always, always confirm the information you receive.</p>
<p>Having said that… the answer to the question about the general ed science (GN) class can be found on page 17 of the above document. For engineers Physics and Chemistry fill the GN requirement. While you may find Astro 1 interesting it will not apply to your current major. Also note that in the IMPORTANT NUANCES on page 18 it mentions that all engineers must take Econ 102 or 104 for one of the GS classes, I don’t know why that isn’t on the chart. Psych 100 and Econ will meet your GS requirements.</p>
<p>Second, if you take Math 40 your first semester and Math 41 your second semester you will be 1 year behind your classmates in math. To take Physics 211 you need to be enrolled in Math 140 or higher putting you behind in Physics. If I understand the Chem 110 prerequisites correctly and I am not sure I do, you can’t take Chem 110 until you finish Math 41 so you will be behind there too. How did you get a 720 on the SAT 2 Math and end up in Math 40? This seems odd to me.</p>
<p>You are (I assume) a pre-engineering student. Engineering students who start Fall 2013 declare their majors Spring 2015 (page 12). To declare your major you need to complete Math 140, 141 and 250 or 251 (#1 page 12). Starting in Math 40 means you need to complete 5 math classes before you can declare your major so I would guess this will put you back to Spring 2016.</p>
<p>How did you do in Chemistry? Are you ready to take Chem 110? What else are you scheduled to take? You don’t really want to do all of your general eds now if you can help it. Later semesters you will want an easy non technical class to help lighten the load. </p>
<p>Another really important piece of information can be found on page 13 of the above guide. Aerospace engineering is under enrollment control. You need to be one of the top 100 students to declare Aerospace Engineering as you major. This means that you need to keep you GPA as high as possible so while starting in Math 40 stinks jumping into Math 140 could be a mistake IF you are not ready. </p>
<p>With the information you have given it does appear that you will need at least 5 years to get an engineering degree. Taking classes during the summer may shorten this.</p>
<p>@PSU85MOM : Thanks you were very helpful , i dropped ASTRO and took econ 102 instead , and for why did they recommend me maths 040 i emailed my adviser he replied that it depends on the placement exams - i didn’t complete them. he said i can take Maths 140. The problem is there are no seats available in that course. he also said i can take maths 040 then Maths 140 next semester. so for this semester ill take CHEM 110 , EDSGN 100 , ECON 102 , PSYCH 100 & for maths i don’t know yet.</p>
<p>but what do you mean by the enrollment control for aerospace engineers? i was accepted as a Aerospace engineer 2 years altoona and 2 years Upark. i e-mailed them before to tell them if there is any chance that i wont get transfered to upark they said its all matter of paper work if you get 2.00 GPA or higher</p>
<p>You can register for 40, and ask for a text alert for 140. If someone drops 140 and a seat opens, you can try and pick up the class. This obviously takes some luck, but during the first week of classes many students rearrange their schedules. </p>
<p>As we have all said, these are questions to ask advisors — that’s what they are for, after all. There are so many nuances and exceptions and prereq issues that you really want to have the information from an authoritative source. My children have had very different advising experiences so you need to educate yourself about the terms and requirements so you can use advising best.Keep in mind that each advisor has hundreds of students, so it’s always the students’ job to contact them.</p>
<p>Okay, you are in better shape then it seemed. There is right now 1 seat in Math 140 at Altoona. I would consider dropping Psych, Econ or Eng Design to take that seat if needed. Math 140 is a pre req to too many things. You need to figure that out for yourself. The alert that greenbutton mentioned can be very helpful. Chances are there will be seats open up if you check.</p>
<p>As to the AeroE thing. Read that program guide. My understanding is you are not really an AreoE until you go through ETM (entrance to major). You are correct that you can move to UP after 2 years but your major is not guaranteed. My son is a soph NucE. I say he is a NucE but he won’t really be until he goes through ETM in Spring 2014. I think, not sure, that I read that if you have a 3.0 GPA for AreoE you are okay so it seems that the number is not concrete. There are also courses you need to complete before going through ETM which is why getting into Math 140 ASAP is important. </p>
<p>Read that program guide and learn how to use the University Bulletin that was linked in another post. Good Luck!</p>
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Definitely not. Iowa State is far better than Penn State Altoona academically. Was transportation cost the only factor in your decision ? </p>
<p>Take Math 140 and Chem 110 for your first semester.</p>
<p>@greenbutton: yup thats what i did. i hope i can get in , if not ithink ill have to take the course in summer.</p>
<p>@PSU85MOM: engineering design has no seats too so i can’t change the time of it , and the available seat in maths 140 is at the same time of my engineering design course -_- , and thanks!</p>
<p>@XtremePower: yes , transportation cost was one of the factors. i know that iowa state is better than penn altoona but ill end up in Upark last 2 years anyway thats where ill graduate.</p>
<p>Really I would suggest you check again with an engineering adviser about taking Eng Design in the Spring. Eng Design over Math 140 seems like an odd choice to me. I know that my son has friends at UP who took Eng Design in the spring with no problem. A quick check of Schedulizer shows that Altoona had 4 sections of Eng Design last spring.</p>