Try not to arrive at any pedestrian conclusions too quickly. Climate is complex. There have been some anomalous factors at play and there is plenty of time for future hurricane seasons to develop alarmingly.
We can’t move yet, @bay. At some point we will. My H works in a state-specific job.
There is no mini-ice age on the way. Global warming already dwarfs even the greatest effects that come from a solar minimum.
The thread’s been pretty much an eye-opener, what with the revelation that the OP’s ignorance comes close, but not quite, to matching her lack of empathy. Was a surprise to me, anyway.
I am just quoting a claim in an article (appeared today) based on some scientists’ research:
Crops also require the right amounts of water at the right time. More water is not necessarily better and particularly not in summer growing seasons and around planting and harvest. Too much moisture causes cherries to split and you can’t cut wheat or hay for cattle feed. Of course pelting rains and hail storm in summer can be catastrophic. Crops are grown according to historical weather patterns and when weather is unpredictable due to shifts in the jet stream and ocean temperatures it can wreak havoc on a local level.
http://www.startribune.com/waterlogged-fields-wash-out-corn-soybean-crops/265311901/
Musicprnt, perhaps I should have been more specific. I was not saying what I think, but why j believe other people are suspicious when they hear the alarmists.
What I think, is that too much credence is put upon whatever sound bite the media wants to play at the time. I don’t think this should be an issue with any political spin at all, and that there are too many people involved in this purely for money and power.
Guess so.
Agreed!!
I haven’t read everything here, but I think the mistake you are making, Bay, is that you’re assuming that events will be gradual over time so why can’t we handle them. The model to think about is not something like Hurricane Katrina hitting New Orleans (you agree that was devastating, to lose a major American city in a matter of days, right? not a mere “oh, let’s move them to Texas, no harm no foul”?). But it’s also not gradual erosion, a la what people who live on coasts deal with where they lose a couple of inches every year.
Think of things like Hurricane Sandy. Or tornadoes here in the midwest. Or the kinds of blizzards that paralyze cities and regions. Or the kinds of flooding you see on the news, like the recent floods in Texas. Any one of those things by itself – yes, manageable, limited impact, impact primarily to the region. Now imagine them happening with a lot greater frequency. Instead of once in a blue moon, picture these things happening far more frequently. That’s the kind of devastation - not “critical” enough that you abandon ship, but disruptive enough that it causes tremendous economic and life disruption on a frequent basis.
- Smartphones didn’t exist 10 years ago. In 50 years, there will probably be vaccines/treatments for those bugs.*
How close are we to finding a cure for cancer?
A vaccine for malaria despite the money Bill Gates is throwing at ut.
How about the kinds of hepatitis & meningitis that do not have vaccines?
Bacteria mutates and of course we dont have the most effective vaccines for viruses.
Every year we have " record setting " events.
They are coming faster & faster.
“My brother moved after Andrew.
He was in the military at the time so his costs were covered, took a loss on his house though”
I think a lot of people moved after Hurricane Andrew. It was truly awful.
I was in the cockpit of the last flight out of Miami, before they closed the airport. I am certain the wind was out of limits, but the captain decided to go anyways. Normally, it’s a no brainer, if the winds aren’t in limits, you don’t take off. Everyone was so tense, but the passengers were incredibly relieved to be out of there. I tried to talk a friend into taking his family and leaving until it was over, but he said, “Ah, it’s no big deal, we’ll just wait it out.” They spent the hurricane huddled in their little apartment, with objects outside crashing down around them. Half a block away, Andrew took out homes, apartments, and killed people. They were unharmed, but he said–Never again. They have moved.
The problem with climate change is that little is predictably safe. Sea levels rising? Move inland. Uhhhh, like to central Texas where flooding was horrific this spring?
Where can you go to be safe considering that flooding can happen anywhere, tornadoes have gone rogue in the last 20 years, and if you aren’t in a natural earthquake belt you’re in a fracking earthquake belt? Bad weather events can and do happen everywhere. Where in this country can you be away from the coastline, with no tornadoes, blizzards, droughts, wildfires, earthquakes or flooding caused by rain? Nowhere.
We can grow vegetables indoor now, there is no need for land nor sunshine. LED is replacing sun.
By the time this becomes a real issue, I believe humans will be long gone from Earth (via space flight).
In less than 90 years we went from the first car to landing on the moon. That is incredible.
Where will we be in 2060?
Meanwhile, the rain forest is on fire here in Washington. June was 9 degrees above normal. Until we see a 10 or 20 year trend, even this is meaningless.
I went to a presentation on some of the research being done on the adaptability of ecosystems as the climate changes. Life has evolved to accept normal climate variations, historically about 1 degree C per 1000 years. When an area becomes too hot/dry (or cold/wet) for it’s native plants, the neighboring areas will supply seeds to repopulate the plant life and the animals will find the food and move along with it.
Unfortunately, what we are experiencing now is not occurring at historical speed - it is much, much faster. Most plant species are capable of moving only feet/year but growing zones are moving by miles/year. A few highly mobile but mostly inedible species(like kudzu and cheat grass) will move in and create a relatively biological desert. Life on Earth has a feedback loop, just not a rapid one. It is the rapidity that is dangerous, not the fact that it is changing.
A thousand years ago Mexico was the center of wealth and culture in North America. Barstow won’t be the next LA but the next Guaymas.
@SYM I guess the trick is knowing when things bear repeating and when they don’t.
@soccerguy315 I feel safe in predicting that in 2060 there will still be billions of humans depending on this planet for life support.
Edited and deleted. Life’s too short.
Anecdotally only, I certainly observe far more weather extremes ( tornados, blizzards, hurricanes, snowstorms etc) than in the past. How much of that is due to 24/7 news coverage vs real, I don’t know.
What’s the harm in preserving our environment? It’s kind of pathetic when conservatives aren’t into … Well, conservation.
People love the drama. They really do.