We live in Georgia. My son (a junior) wants to go to Oklahoma state in aeronautical administration which is eligible for in-state tuition through academic common market because the exact program is not offered here. With his SATs near 1400, he would be eligible for quite a bit of guaranteed merit based scholarship money that OSU offers - however, when I called today the lady said it is one or the other. You cannot get the merit based when you are getting ACM. That does not seem fair or right since I know that a few other colleges do not have that rule (too bad they don’t have his desired program). So we can pay in state tuition and expenses of 18,000 a year through common market or we can get a 12,000/yr reduction in out of state tuition bringing the cost down from 30,000 a year to 18,000 a year using the guaranteed merit scholarship. Anyone gone to OSU in this situation?
Can you get merit based scholarships if you are entering an OOS college with Academic Common market?
It looks like OSU offers in-state tuition because of the guaranteed merit scholarship (which would be available for any major), and in-state tuition for the ACM majors. If your kid qualifies for the merit scholarship, find out what the rules are about maintaining it. That might be the better deal. If he’d change his major to one that doesn’t qualify for ACM, he’d lose that scholarship.
Each place gets to set its own policies about how various kinds of scholarships can stack (if at all). If OSU is out of your budget even after the merit aid or ACM, then your son needs to look for some place more affordable. U of North Dakota offers your son’s major. Out-of-state tuition there is about $19,000. Check their website to see if there are any scholarships that could lower his costs further: http://aviation.und.edu/prospective-students/
Thanks for the reply. I didn’t think about the necessity of maintaining a certain grade point average to maintain the merit scholarship - that is a good point. I doubt he would change majors so the ACM may be a better fit. But we will just have to keep looking into scholarship opportunities or else stay in state for a general business admin program and do his flight hours through a flight school (his goal is commercial airline pilot and then manage an airline one day). He could go in state and live at home and it would not cost much here because of the state’s HOPE scholarship. He just really wanted the aviation major but it looks like it may be too pricey and north Dakota is not offering much in the way of merit scholarships (and its too cold!!).
http://worldwide.erau.edu/degrees-programs/programs/bachelors/aviation-business-administration/
have you checked out Embry Riddle, it’s in Florida, so not cold. Does ACM apply there as well? Would he qualify for merit?
Looks like they offer online option too.
we live in the midwest. my daughter was looking at an OOS public school and she was offered the midwest exchange program (MSEP); OR a merit scholarship. The end price was the same but the two could not be combined. it was disappointing when we realized it.
All is good now, though; good luck.
Embry Riddle is private so ACM wouldn’t work there.
Actually, many schools that participate in ACM or WUE or other similar programs usually do not permit the discount and merit. Often it is “one or the other”. I remember that LSU allowed both, but they were an exception. Don’t know if LSU still allows since they’re having budget woes.
Done be so sure he won’t change is major. Most do.
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What do you want your net costs to be?
If you need it to be less than $18k, then seriously, you need to reconsider the narrowness of aeronautical administration. Your son won’t be running an airline anytime soon. I would think a major that work well with being a pilot along with some general business courses would “fit the bill,” and later, he can take some courses in aero admin…maybe even online.
Embry-Riddle is likely not a good choice if money is a factor. It’s fantastic for people on full outside scholarships, since ERAU stacks scholarships up to the COA before reducing your aid… but not otherwise. They give out token merit to even the least qualified applicants: unless you have absolute top grades and test scores, and are declaring a competitive major (STEM – not anything more on the aviation side), you’re not going to get a great merit package.
“If you need it to be less than $18k, then seriously, you need to reconsider the narrowness of aeronautical administration.”
I think you should reconsider the narrowness of that major to begin with. I’m at ERAU, but I’m majoring in computer engineering. I have one or two courses that emphasize computing applications in aerospace, but the program is pretty standard computer engineering beyond that. This is for a reason. I don’t think it’s smart to have a highly specialized undergrad degree.
IMHO someone that wants to climb the ladder in aeronautical administration would benefit from UG degree in engineering, and then later maybe go MBA, executive MBA, or get into a program like UA (University of Alabama) STEM MBA - which is one of their honors programs. In GA, GA Tech is a wonderful option if has the stats to get in.
Many students interested in flying realize that paradigm has changed - we have a friends’ son that is a pilot now and has moved up to piloting Airbus 320. Started at regional level - he graduated from Embry Riddle in FL. Dad is a MD, so could afford tuition. Dad also has a pilot license and plane, which I am sure helped the son get his flying hours.
I agree.
Unless I’m misunderstanding the situation, this is a 16/17 year old that wants to become a commercial pilot, and then much later (decades from now) wants to run an airline. I doubt that much he’d learn in 2018-2022 would be so needed in the near future, and whatever he learned may be outdated in 20 years. At some point, when he’s a veteran pilot, he could take classes (online?) in airline management or whatever it’s called.
This is like trying to study neurosurgery at a CC…not necessary, way too early.
Florida Tech, just south of Embry Riddle, also has engineering and all the aero management majors, but it is also a private school. It’s not that difficult to qualify for 1/2 tuition scholarships based on grades and scores, but tuition doesn’t include flight training which is about $15k per year extra. Stacking of scholarships is allowed; my daughter has 9 scholarships/grants/loans stacked, but most of those are either from the school or because she’s a Florida resident. There is also co-op programs and some students can earn enough in the co-ops to pay for the following semester.
The mom needs to tell us what they want the net cost to be.
A rule to thumb…If you want net costs to be about $15k per year, then the student needs a “full tuition” merit award…so that the $15k can pay for room, board, books, travel, misc.
I have also heard that flight lessons are $10k-15k additional at many schools. If you’ll also be paying for those, we really need to know your target costs otherwise we’ll inadvertantly steer you wrong.
Sometimes more, especially at privates. Riddle’s COA this upcoming year is right around 52k. It swells easily to NYU-level costs (~75k?) for flight students.
Really gotta be rich to fly anywhere other than a mom and pop school. Or have some nice scholarships.
Sorry it took so long to thank the posters for their replies. Lots went on this summer and we sort of put all this stuff on the back burner but now we are looking into everything again. He will probably end up going to business administration at Georgia state and doing flight hours through flight school. He could live at home and get Hope scholarship from the state. We’d pay about 8000$ a year. 8-10 thousand would be a good budget for us). We are aware that flight hours will cost around 50000$. He knows he will need to take out loans for that unfortunately. We will pay for his schooling. He is a strong student who will graduate high school
with 10 college level classes through dual enrollment so we are hoping this will also cut costs. There is an embry riddle satellite campus near us so he could do that but he wants a “larger college experience”. The other possibility is middle Tennessee state which has several scholarships including regional scholars for out of state students who are within 250 miles and you can still get a merit based scholarships…at least that is what the website says! This kid has been on flight simulators since he was 11 and is obsessed with flight. He has flown a few small planes and was in heaven. I doubt he will give up his dream but being a pilot is tough and I told him one day he may decide to not fly but still work in the industry…hence his other love: business (no interest in Engineering)! I just wasn’t sure if there was an advantage to a bachelor in aviation administration over a general bachelor of business admin.
Thanks!
He can’t borrow $50k. Are you going to cosign?
Are his stats strong enough for Air Force ROTC?
Luckily, The financial aid offices at colleges that offer flight programs have ways of helping you get some of the financing through Stafford Loans that the student takes on and do not require a co-signer. They factor in the cost of the flight hours into the cost of attendance for financial aid purposes. The students need about 12,000 a year so you don’t pay the whole flight cost for the 4 years up front. But yes, I would have to co-sign some other smaller loans if the financial aid ones for him are not enough.
Yes he’s a 4.0 kinda kid but is not into anything military at all!!