Sounds like DC24 will be affected 
Whoa! Is that the reason some of the admission decisions seem to be coming out so slowly?
Is that going to affect this cycle though? It was not clear when/who this will be implemented. Nor how/if it will impact across the board.
The article says immediately and:
The cap is expected to result in approximately 360,000 approved study permits in 2024, a decrease of 35% from 2023, according to a statement from the immigration ministry.
The question I have is…who prioritizes those who will get these permits.
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Wonder if the universities have the information.
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I saw that, but what of the kids that were already accepted? Lucky and then the rest gets an extra squeeze?
That IS the question. One has to wonder if those who haven’t already received acceptances will be less likely to have them.
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In the US, schools make admission decisions for international students without regard to whether those admitted will receive a visa. The latter is controlled by the State Department and the school has no say in the decision, so they don’t factor that in to their process.
Why wouldn’t Canadian schools approach it the same way?
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But I don’t think there is a quota on the number of student visas given in the U.S. and it sounds like there will be a limit in Canada this year.
Even more reason for the schools to not get involved. They would have to track how many permits have been issued, how many are left, and how many of those they want to use themselves vs leave for other schools, etc.
And what happens when some students don’t get their visa? Will the government provide updates on who was approved and who was denied? Are the schools then going back through their waiting list to admit others in place of those denied? And what happens if some of those are also denied?
It gets very complicated very fast. My bet is on the schools letting the visa process play out independently, and not get involved.
I don’t think changes to student visas has anything to do with it. It’s still early for Canadian admissions.
Canadian universities never used to give out admission offers until May since decisions are primarily made based on grade 12 marks. Then a few years ago some non-competitive programs started doing US style early admissions, typically in Feb-March time frame, supplementing with grade 11 marks where needed. Then more universities jumped on board and started doing the same. Then some started sending out even earlier offers in Dec-Jan. It’s become like an early admissions arms race and more and more students are getting admitted in earlier rounds, but generally not to the most selective programs. This year in particular I’ve been amazed at the number of students who’ve already gotten offers, it’s more than has ever happened in the past.
Even still the vast majority will still be waiting until May.
It’s still up in the air how this is going to work. It sounds like the Federal government will allocate a specific quota to each province and then it will be up to the provincial governments to figure out how many each PSE institutions will receive.
To be clear the biggest target of this is intended to be "degree-mill’ type PG Cert programs offered by some of the colleges that have licenced 3rd-party private providers. They mostly target students from India and China who use them as a backdoor to immigration. So far the Ontario government has been mum on all of this which is unsurprising since they’ve been the most egregious in allowing this to continue.
The biggest push behind this is though is the current housing crisis and international students are the easiest targets to throw under the bus in attempt to appease an ever increasingly vocal populace that is demanding government leadership to help rectify housing shortages and affordability. The real problem isn’t international students, it’s the Federal government’s reckless approach to population growth especially the number of temporary foreign workers that are swelling the ranks.
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Not true, the programs are still very competitive and selective for most universities including Ivy ones. EDI, EA decisions have been released to students. But the way Canada is doing is not what the US will follow at least till 2025 onwards.
Sorry not sure what you’re replying to?
Why are they doing this? Is there some sort of perceived abuse going on?
Are they trying to keep Americans out?
@anonuser1234 and @twoinanddone as I mentioned above it’s primarily in response to the housing crisis. Immigration and temporary foreign resident numbers have skyrocketed of late and it’s adding extra pressure on housing and infrastructure. This is an attempt to reign in some of those numbers. It’s also aimed reducing abuses in the system. There is a subsection of the international student population, primarily from India and China, who come without any real intention of education but are instead exploiting the system as a backdoor immigration pathway and are basically temporary foreign workers, not students. They enrol in low quality 1 year PG Cert programs offered by 3rd party private providers licenced by the public colleges. They pay exorbitant tuition rates to get certificates or diplomas that are of dubious quality and some don’t even show up and are basically just there for the ability to work up to 40 hours a week. Most of the time they’re working in minimum wage jobs and are frequently exploited by employers and local landlords. This is an attempt to shut down those abuses and to ensure that international students are actually there to be students and not temporary foreign workers.
It’s definitely not about “keeping Americans out” and will probably have minimal impact on undergraduate university admissions. It also does not apply to graduate programs.
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@gwnorth how about international students from other countries in Europe and Asia. Any guess if those will be affected?
I wonder why they went after students though. I would think if its housing and infrastructure you could limit the visas to 4 or 5 years, get your degree and then get out. But why undermine the schools like that? I am sure there are so many things I am not thinking of
Sorry your message is long then I got confused