<p>Casey could have just dumped Caylee onto her mother who was thinking of going for custody anyways. She then would not have been burdened with Caylee without having to go through the trouble of killing her.</p>
<p>I know someone who knows the family. Casey is about ADD as they come, is what I have been told. She is incapable of following through with very much. She just wants to play, play, play, party, party, party. Anything that gets in the way of that, she just ignores and goes her way. The idea of her planning out something just doesn’t add up. But it is entirely possible, and those who know her are not one bit surprised that she would not want to deal with a corpse and just sloppily get rid of it as Caylee’s body was. Not even miles from the home, very sloppily thrown in a garbage bag. Very amateur quick job from what I can discern, certainly not something that the dad, an ex cop would do. Her old friends don’t seem to think she killed the child on purpose either. Those who know her seem to feel that she is too immediate, but drugging the baby so she could go out would be very much in her nature if she could not find a sitter and a party was calling. Then not wanting to deal with the consequences would also be no surprise. </p>
<p>I don’t know the details about the Scott Peterson case, but I know that he and his family still insist he is innocent but any alternate scenarios make no sense at all. It truly all points to him.</p>
<p>As does the Caylee Anthony case, but the question of deliberate murder where there is no proof and many other scenarios (yes, all involve Casey to make sense) of what could have happened, yet she did not commit first degree murder.</p>
<p>Just because someone acts unstable and doesn’t appear to be calculating, doesn’t mean that it isn’t so. It is also possible that she is just a very bad planner. Even dumb people premeditate murder on occasion. They just might not be very good at it. </p>
<p>As far as mothers murdering their children, I believe that the Susan Smith case was premeditated murder because, as another poster said, her boyfriend wanted no children. She made up the story to cover it up.</p>
<p>Casey could have just dumped Caylee onto her mother who was thinking of going for custody anyways. She then would not have been burdened with Caylee without having to go through the trouble of killing her.</p>
<p>At first glance, that would totally make sense. But, it doesn’t take into acct what was going on in that family.</p>
<p>casey was used to using Caylee to get money from her parents to buy things for herself (hey mom, Caylee needs new clothes, I need your credit card to buy them.). Caylee was a playing card for Casey. Casey could buy stuff for Caylee…then either throw in a few things for herself…or buy a few extra things for Caylee…and then exchange them for things for herself at the same stores. Casey was an operator…and losing Caylee to her parents would mean losing that valuable playing card.</p>
<p>Casey also had begun to resent the money that her parents were VERY willing to spend on Caylee. Casey began to see Caylee as “her replacement”…she was no longer the princess of the home. Another darling (one without her bad, bad faults) was replacing her. She could see the hand-writing on the wall. Caylee was “in” …and she was “out.”</p>
<p>George discovered that Casey had somehow raided the college fund that he had set up for Caylee. She had also emptied the little girl’s home piggy bank that George often put loose change in. </p>
<p>Casey had also stolen $4,000 in cash from her parents. Her parents had sold a car and needed the money put into their savings acct. Her parents had asked her to make the deposit for them at their bank. Casey made a phony “deposit slip” and showed it to her parents that she had deposited the money. Later, she claimed that she had been “robbed”…lol…at her job…at gunpoint…which of course never happened.</p>
<p>There is not much a parent can do when an adult child is a psychopath. And if s/he has a child to whom you become attached and involved. it becomes particularly painful. It would be very difficult, if not impossible to make a lot of mistakes dealing with such a child. The emotions will make it impossible at times to do what is logically the right thing. I sympathize deeply with the Anthonys. They must know that their daughter killed Caylee, intentionally or not–doubt they can believe the intentional part, but have to know that she just blithely went along her life after this happened and disposed of the body. But they don’t want their daughter to get the death penalty either. I’m sure they hardly know what to do.</p>
<p>Tonight on TV, and expert made a good point…</p>
<p>He said…if it had been an accident, and Casey had put the duct tape on the child’s mouth for a reason (but not to kill her)…then the first thing she would have done when she came across her child (appearing not to be breathing) would be to pull off the duct tape to attempt to revive her. The fact that the duct tape remained, indicates it was part of the murder.</p>
<p>The duct tape could have been put on after death to simulate an abduction scene and to keep discharge from draining out. I can’t see her duct taping that child while she was still alive.</p>
<p>I think I have known too many lunatics in my life. It has made me suspicious and cynical.</p>
<p>I don’t know, though. I can’t see Casey Anthony knowing enough about decomposition to tape her mouth for that reason. Besides, if you have the forethought to do that, why would you be so stupid as to leave the body in the trunk of your car in Florida?! No one will notice the stench? I just don’t think she’s all that bright.</p>
<p>I just saw a report that a forensics expert found the outline of a heart sticker on the duct tape that was found with the body. Is it possible that Casey stuck a heart sticker on the duct tape?</p>
<p>I totally share Cptofthehouse’s views on this case (and appreciate her articulating them in a way I could not). </p>
<p>Someone’s reference to Diane Down’s made me look that case up. Great set of videos on this ABC website about her story. Boy, it is eerily similar! Exactly same kind of psychopath. The interviews with her are chilling, to say the least. </p>
<p>I appreciate cpt’s outlook, as well. No disrespect was intended. I am the type of person, with this kind of thing, at least, who tends toward cynicism. </p>
<p>I think for me it is the internet searches that do it. I understand what you are saying about that being circumstantial but if I were on the jury I would have a hard time reconciling so many visits to a site about making chloroform and a plethora of other violent sites with the subsequent accidental death of her child. </p>
<p>Also the fact that she is so willing to throw her father under the bus, to me, indicates a sociopathic personality capable of anything, premeditated murder of her child included.</p>
<p>Why on earth would Cindy and George let Casey go off with that little girl, staying at various BF’s apartments, etc. Wouldn’t you think that if you knew your daughter was unstable and lied the way she does, you wouldn’t trust her taking off with that little girl? Were the parents in some sort of enabling?? denial or something? Obviously they never thought that Casey would hurt Caylee, but still…not a very stable lifestyle for a little toddler. (or anyone!)</p>
<p>dke, but how do parents NOT let their daughter go off to live where she wants with her child when the daughter is an adult? They have no control over her ultimately.</p>
<p>I think that it is unfair to blame the parents. I think that their daughter is ill and has completely exhausted them. I think that they have done the best that they could do given the circumstances. Casey is over 18 and she was Caylee’s mother. The grandparents had no power other than to kick their daughter out of their house, or to encourage their daughter to be a “good” mother. My heart breaks for them.</p>
<p>*Why on earth would Cindy and George let Casey go off with that little girl, staying at various BF’s apartments, etc. Wouldn’t you think that if you knew your daughter was unstable and lied the way she does, you wouldn’t trust her taking off with that little girl? Were the parents in some sort of enabling?? denial or something? *</p>
<p>First of all, Casey was an adult, they couldn’t prevent this.</p>
<p>Secondly…many times when she was with a BF, her parents thought she was working and the child was being babysat somewhere. The “nanny” story was rather recent, but prior to that, Casey was claiming that various friends were babysitting Caylee.</p>
<p>Yes…the parents enabled Casey. After all, she claimed to be working all this time, but where was the evidence that she was getting paid? She never had any money…she was stealing money. What about tax returns? Was she claiming that she was filing them?</p>
<p>the Universal job was a perfect fantasy. It was a job that she could pretend to “work from home” during the day from her laptop…and required her to be out in the evenings because she was an “event planner.” </p>
<p>But, again, there should have been plenty of evidence that she didn’t have a job because she never had any money. She wasn’t required to pay rent, contribute for foor, car insurance, gas, pay for Caylee, etc…yet she never had any money! That should have been very obvious that she really didn’t have a job.</p>
<p>mom2collegekids, I agree. Suppose Cindy and George discovered the job was a lie…Then what? I am sure that they caught her in many large lies (ie: I believe that they found out that she stole money from a grandparent). They could have required her to pay it back, but if she stole so much that she could not see the light at the end of the tunnel, perhaps they felt it could encourage more theft, or take necessities away from Caylee? They could have had her arrested too, but thought about how that would effect Casey and Caylee’s future. I don’t know if that is the case, but I get the feeling that they felt their hands were tied short of kicking her out and that had real ramifications for their granddaughter.</p>
<p>Sometime before Caylee died, Cindy had begun going to a counselor for advice on how to handle Casey. The counselor was the one who said to kick her out of the house and get custody of Caylee. That may have “gotten the ball rolling” with anger, resentment, etc. </p>
<p>For some reason, Cindy doesn’t want to now talk about all of this (it was mentioned in emails between Cindy, her mom, and her aunt). I think Cindy feels great guilt because she feels that my taking that dramatic step (kicking Casey out & threatening custody of Caylee) that it led to the death of Caylee. What loving grandma wants to deal with that awful, gut-wrenching pain? </p>
<p>When I think of Cindy’s testimony about Caylee’s playhouse, mailbox, sandbox, bench, etc (all set up very cutely in the backyard), it really hits home that Casey was resenting all this money that was being spent on Caylee…while she had none. Of course, if she had just gotten a real job, she’d have money. But, her REAL work history was spotty because she was often fired for being late, showing up too tired to work, etc.</p>
<p>Another thing that struck me as very telling… When Casey was first released on bond, the searchers were going over pics of Caylee in family albums to find good facial pics of her for their search efforts. Someone commented that Caylee was very cute. Casey’s response? Well, I’m cute, too. ??? What mom says that???</p>