Casey Anthony?

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<p>*I don’t know if anyone has brought this up in this thread yet but what makes the drowning story even more implausible are the jailhouse tapes of conversations between Casey and George where she tells her father how Caylee will be found alive and the police will all be sorry they ever blamed her. It would make no sense that such a conversation would ever transpire if both knew that Caylee was already dead. *</p>

<p>Right…it makes no sense for Casey to be saying that to her dad if she and her dad already knew that Caylee was dead. Instead…if they were just trying to continue the lie, they would just be saying stuff about possible cities/etc where Caylee might have been taken to.</p>

<p>And, Casey would not have “stayed silent” after first being arrested if it had been a drowing…she hates jail. </p>

<p>*I was wondering about that - whether the defense attorneys helped make up a story that at least sort of fit the facts. *</p>

<p>Absolutely! They waited til the evidence was revealed and then customized a story.</p>

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<p>Yes, but the burden is on the state to prove their case. They have not linked her directly with these items. Also, no drugs were found in Caylee’s hair or in her bone marrow/bones as far as I understand.</p>

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<p>If that was the only evidence, then the prosecution would have a problem.</p>

<p>Remember, there was only circumstantial evidence when Scott Peterson was convicted of killing Laci…no fingerprints, no cause of death, no murder weapon, no time of death, nothing.</p>

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<p>Does anyone know how long this trial is expected to take? The way it’s progressing, it seems to me it could go until the next decade . . . .</p>

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<p>I don’t recall everything about that case. Are you sure they had no evidence? I thought I recall something vaguely about him trying to leave the US with a few thousand dollars in cash, dying his hair suddenly, something about finding cement (or was that the Drew Peterson case or both?). Correct me if I am wrong. Still, this has nothing to do with Casey, as you know.</p>

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<p>mom2collegekids, I just googled the Scott Peterson case, and you are correct. There was very little direct evidence.</p>

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<p>With Scott Peterson, some things could be more tightly linked to him. Here, since it was so long before Caylle was found or even reported missing, there isn’t a lot one can attribute easily to Casey except for the fact that she clearly such a nasty piece of work. But she is not known to have abused her daughter. She has a strong network with her parents that take in her daughter. She has no history of violence or trying to kill anyone . What she is, is irresponsible and a liar and a thief to the point that it well crosses the lines of psychoses. But murder? </p>

<p>Because nothing she says is believable–I don’t see how anyone is going to buy the “Daddy did it” story any more than the “Nanny took her” story, the prosecution and jurors are going to have to come up with a scenario of what happened. Did she lose the child because she left her somewhere unsupervised and didn’t want to deal with it, and now the child was found the way she was? Did some accident befall the child, and she could not deal with it because negligence was involved or she just didn’t want to bother, so she got rid of the body that way? Did she deliberately drug the child with chloroform, Benadryl, anything to keep her quiet and accidently kill her, and disposed of the body? Or, did she deliberately murder the little girl and hide that body? Those are all strong possibilities with no real proof of her involvement other than her not reporting the child missing. </p>

<p>I tend to believe Caylee died as a direct result of her negligence or abuse in terms of keeping her quiet while she partied, but not as a deliberate murder. She does not seem to be the sort of person who plans much of anything so the idea that she actually thought this out does not seem to fit. Also if she did go so far to murder her daughter and ditch the body, I would think she would have set out a hue and cry that her daughter was missing instead of just going along like life was normal until the issue of where Caylee was, became forced. It seems more that she found a dead child, and quickly disposed of the body and then pushed the whole matter to the back of her mind because she could not and did not want to bear to deal with it. She didn’t seem to have any story really ready when asked where the girl was, and the nanny tale was something that seemed to be made up as she went along. </p>

<p>I think in the Susan Smith case, she just lost it and sent that car into the lake in a psychotic fit, then had to come up with some story to cover it. I can’t see a mom or anyone deliberately planning the murder of children; I know it happens, but it has to be so rare, much rarer than an accidental thing that occurred or a loss of control for a fateful instant, not a planned out thing.</p>

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<p>I read an article in a Florida newspaper yesterday, it was the wee hours of the morning and I don’t remember which paper now, that said that in addition to chloroform, how to make chloroform, and neck breaking, she had searched death, chest trauma, and a whole host of other violent things, too.</p>

<p>It surprises me, with how badly cobbled together Casey’s attempts to cover her involvement have been, that they haven’t been able to find much evidence besides google searches on her computer to suggest that she did it and that it was premeditated-- if it was. Casey certainly seems to have maintained an active social life through motherhood, this wasn’t some socially isolated housewife that wouldn’t have talked to people, and it seems hard to believe that Casey would be able to cover up that she was having feelings against motherhood or her daughter strong enough to lead to murder well enough that nobody would have known something and come forward by now. Some cold hearted, calculating murderer would have the steel in their blood to go on like normal and pretend they weren’t thinking about such things, but Casey falls to pieces like nothing and has shown that she is NOT the “calculating” type. The nanny story and the job at universal and all that were such badly planned stories on her part, it seems hard to me to believe that she would be so bad about covering up the aftermath but be good enough to hide the signs that this was coming at the same time. I don’t have as hard a time as some others believing that this could have been a premeditated murder, but that isn’t adding up to me. I think if Casey had become that unhinged, she has proven in the aftermath that she would not have had the skills or the cunning to hide that in the time period leading up to Caylee’s death.</p>

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<p>Why would someone look up neck breaking though?</p>

<p>PS…oops cross posted with emaheevul…</p>

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<p>I would not like to be questioned about what has been researched on our computers with all of the kids and their friends having used it over the year. Neck breaking would be one of the milder things, I would guess. I 've overheard some grisly conversations. If anything coincidently ever occurred in their circles after some of those searches, they would be in trouble. But I could think of an number of reasons to look up neck breaking. </p>

<p>The chloroform is more troubling since the site that was brought up was hit 84 times, I believe, and it was a site that specifically gave step by step instructions on how to make chloroform. Why would anyone need that? You can put a toddler to sleep easily with OTC benadryl and other meds–you don’t have to resort to chloroform which is a pain to make even with those instructions and it isn’t that easy or accurate to use. And I do believe that scent was detected, something like it. That is the most damaging piece of evidence to me in terms of Caylee’s death being murder. But there is no solid proof of chloroform being involved except someone thinks s/he smelled it and some new technology, which got botched, by the way, claims it can detect it along with the scent of a decomposed corpse from canned air samples taken from the car. I don’t know how accurate that could be; it’s not proven technology at all and the guy made some errors with the evidence that does not make me feel confident of the accuracy. So no proof that chloroform was used on Caylee and her neck was not broken, so the internet searches are not really relevant. I’m sure there were all sorts of unsavory things on that computer given the type of person Casey was.</p>

<p>The thing is, no one is able to say that she was looking to be rid of the child, for all of her faults, and she has many. There was no pressing reason to kill Caylee, unlike the many motives Scott Peterson have or the direct reason Susan Smith had.</p>

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<p>*Remember, there was only circumstantial evidence when Scott Peterson was convicted of killing Laci…no fingerprints, no cause of death, no murder weapon, no time of death, nothing.</p>

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<p>I don’t recall everything about that case. Are you sure they had no evidence? I thought I recall something vaguely about him trying to leave the US with a few thousand dollars in cash, dying his hair suddenly, something about finding cement (or was that the Drew Peterson case or both?). Correct me if I am wrong. Still, this has nothing to do with Casey, as you know. *</p>

<p>That was Scott…not Drew…</p>

<p>The prosecution was only able to suggest that he might have been wanting to leave the country…he was arrested while playing golf down in San Diego…but SD was his hometown, so not unusual for him to be there. </p>

<p>Yes, he had lots of cash with him, but his mom lied on the stand and said that she gave him that money because she accidentally took the money out of his acct…instead of her own acct. LOL</p>

<p>Yes…he dyed his hair…but claimed it bleached from Pool Chlorine…lol</p>

<p>Yes…he made several anchors for his boat with cement. The “issue” was that there was evidence that he made like 7 anchors, but could only account for a few. </p>

<p>Things that did make him look guilty were…</p>

<p>1) He had told his girlfriend that his wife had died…a week before she actually did die…</p>

<p>2) He had this GF that he was lying about.</p>

<p>3) There were no Xmas presents for Laci anywhere in the house…yet Xmas was the next day. </p>

<p>4) the clothes that she was wearing the night before she disappeared could not be found in the house.</p>

<p>5) one broken piece of her hair was found in pliers in his tackle box.</p>

<p>6) the body was found in the bay where he said that he had gone fishing…90 miles from home on Christmas eve. So, he placed himself where the body was found.</p>

<p>He obviously had no idea that the body would eventually break apart so that parts of it would come to shore. Her head and legs were never found. The baby’s body was found the day before hers was found.</p>

<p>Oh…and his computer showed that he had looked up which way the tide moved…presumably so that he could dump the body in a place where it would be least likely to wash up on shore.</p>

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<p>The baby’s body washed up? How did that happen? He had not been born yet, if I remember correctly.</p>

<p>I remember one part of Scott’s story which struck me as suspicious. Laci had been in the habit of opening all the curtains early every morning, according to neighbors. On the day that she had supposedly been home alive and well when Scott left to go fishing, the curtains remained shut. Neighbors noticed and wondered. Scott’s story was that she left them closed to conserve heat.</p>

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<p>The baby washed up on shore due to decomposition of Lacy’s body and so it separated from her body.</p>

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<p>I’ve been watching/listening to the video feeds of the trial on my computer as I do other work. You can find a complete archive of the raw feeds here, as well as additional information:
[Casey</a> Anthony Murder Trial: Raw Video Archive - News Story - WFTV Orlando](<a href=“http://www.wftv.com/news/28083402/detail.html]Casey”>http://www.wftv.com/news/28083402/detail.html)</p>

<p>The feeds aren’t live, they are usually a day or so behind, but you can watch stuff you missed, and skip the boring parts.</p>

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<p>Lacie’s disappearance could be very closely pinpointed. She was supposedly at home and fine when Scott Peterson left for a 140 mile round trip fishing trip on Christmas eve when they had to be somewhere that evening. She wasn’t home when he returned. He lied about the trip until caught and then Laci’s body showed up somewhere consistent to where he had gone fishing. The fishing trip made no sense at all. That along with all of the other things that Mom2collegekids brought up really put a tight noose around him. I disagree about the death penalty here, as it is not 100% that he killed her, though no other scenario makes sense. Someone kidnapped her on Christmas eve and coincidently dumped the body in the water there? Nothing else makes sense, especially when the husband was making plans for a life with someone else. </p>

<p>With Caylee, the time line is such that it is impossible to come up with what happened. There is no question that Casey is guilty of a number of things in this case. The crux of the matter is whether she killed her deliberately or if the girl died out of negligence, abuse, accident.</p>

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<p>Has it been addressed during the trial why Casey Anthony, after living in her parents’ home for almost three years after Caylee’s birth, left/moved out in the middle of June? Was it because of a falling out with her parents? Had she been told to change her ways or move out?</p>

<p>If a prosecutor has to come up with a reason for murder “that makes sense” for a jury to convict someone, no one would ever be convicted of murder. What sort of reason for murder could there be that “makes sense?”</p>

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<p>^^^</p>

<p>Yes…the baby was almost 8months in gestation. He was charged in the murders of both. </p>

<p>Yes…about the curtains thing. Another thing that was odd…he didn’t want his face shown early on…and that puzzled investigators. He avoided TV cameras because he didn’t want his GF seeing his face…because then she would come forward…which she did. </p>

<p>Another thing that was odd…he came home on Xmas eve and called her parents and said that Laci was missing. Who thinks their spouse is “missing” shortly after getting home…especially with Xmas being the next day. She may have been shopping with her sister, taking a walk, or visiting at a neighbor’s home or whatever.</p>

<p>His cell phone also indicated that he made no phone calls to Laci that day…which would be unusual considering the 90 mile drive both ways to the Bay…and Christmas being the next day.</p>

<p>In many ways, Scott and Casey are very similar…major liars, appearing to be normal, very self-centered, could be very charming, from totally dysfunctional families…and both are sociopaths.</p>

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<p>I completely forgot about the baby washing up - must have blocked it, I remember a lot about that case. It reminded me of an earlier case in Boston, in which a husband shot and killed his very pregnant wife, shot himself in the stomach, tossed his gun to his brother, who drove by the spot by prearrangement, and told a story about a man jumping into the car and shooting them both. The baby was delivered and lived for a few days, the wife was dead by the time the ambulance got there. </p>

<p>The man’s family periodically staged scams - for example, they’d pretend to have been robbed in order to get the insurance money for their electronics - and the brother thought that he was getting rid of the gun for one of their usual crimes. He was shocked and upset when he learned that it had been used to kill his SIL, and the family was about to come forward when the murderer jumped off a bridge.</p>

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<p>Has it been addressed during the trial why Casey Anthony, after living in her parents’ home for almost three years after Caylee’s birth, left/moved out in the middle of June? Was it because of a falling out with her parents? Had she been told to change her ways or move out?</p>

<p>The prosecution hasn’t clearly told this part…yet…and they need to…because it will help deflect the defense’s phony story.</p>

<p>There are emails between Cindy and her mom (Casey’s grandmother) and the aunt that indicate that Cindy had told Casey that she needed to move out and that Cindy was going to go for custody of Caylee. Cindy was tired of Casey using Cindy to babysit all the time…Cindy had already caught Casey in some work lies…claiming to be going to work, needing Cindy to babysit, and then later Cindy learning from a mutual friend that Casey had really gone to a party that night. Plus, Casey had been stealing from the parents and grandmother.</p>

<p>There is also scuttlebutt that there was a huge argument between Cindy and Casey on Fathers Day night…hours before Caylee died. Some neighbors reported hearing yelling. </p>

<p>If the prosecution is able to show any of this, then it really pokes holes in the defense’s story…because their story is that Casey just started living with Tony to hide the accidental drowning. When in reality…Casey was supposed to be moving out anyway…but of course, didn’t have the money to do so…and her BF didn’t want kids around.</p>

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<p>All of these family killings are just heart-wrenching. Remember the Mark and Lori Hacking case. He has been lying for years that he was going to college and then he claimed that he got into UNC-CH med school. HIs parents had been “paying” (ha ha) for his education…when in truth, he had dropped out years earlier. </p>

<p>His wife was at work and called UNC-Ch to find out about their housing situation since they were going to be moving there the next week for his first year of med school. She found out that there was no record of him as being an incoming med student. She left work very upset.</p>

<p>She confronted her H that night, he killed her in her sleep…he dumped the body in a dumpster…and disposed of the mattress…and bought a new mattress the next morning. Later he claimed that she went jogging and never came back. Her car was found a short distance away.</p>

<p>Investigators knew that something was wrong because the sheets on the bed still had the “new folds” on them…the mattress was new…and the seat of her car was positioned for a very tall person…and she was tiny.</p>