Casey Anthony?

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<p>*July 5, 2011. She’s free,” Grace said on her show Tuesday. “She will walk free as early as this Thursday. In Session correspondent Jean Casarez said she asked Cheney Mason of Anthony’s defense team where Anthony will go when she is free. “He told me it would not, with all seriousness, be back to her family home,” Casarez recounted. *</p>

<p>It was on Nancy Grace on July 5th.</p>

<p>See, I didn’t have some kind of ESP that Cheney Mason would say it later. He said it the day of the verdict.</p>

<p>*Can you find anthing that indocates that media was allowed in at the after verdict party? *</p>

<p>Jean wasn’t “allowed in”…she happened to already be in the restaurant when they came in…so she took advantage of that.</p>

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<p>Just wanted to chime in and reiterate that it was Jean Caseres (Jinkasaurus, lol) that spoke with the Baez camp immediately after the verdict. I saw it on HLN and Mason did say at that time that Casey was not going home.</p>

<p>On another note, the Biography Channel profiled Casey and as I listened and heard the story for the 10,000th time I still found it chilling.</p>

<p>Casey had a big fight with Cindy about lying about her work schedule (she was out partying). Casey packs her bags and leaves with Caylee. That is the last sighting of a living Caylee.</p>

<p>Casey tells the police that her coworker at Universal referred her to Nanny Zanny. They go with Casey to Universal who confidently walks into a building at the theme park. She stops suddenly, puts her hands in her jean pockets and smirks as she says something to the effect of “You got me- I don’t work here.” Right then investigators knew that not only did they have a missing kid but were about to add unbalanced mother to the mix.</p>

<p>Chilling… I just hope that not too many Caseys actually exist in the world.</p>

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<p>*Just wanted to chime in and reiterate that it was Jean Caseres (Jinkasaurus, lol) that spoke with the Baez camp immediately after the verdict. I saw it on HLN and Mason did say at that time that Casey was not going home.</p>

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<p>Yes! Thanks! </p>

<p>*Casey had a big fight with Cindy about lying about her work schedule (she was out partying). Casey packs her bags and leaves with Caylee. That is the last sighting of a living Caylee.</p>

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<p>What night was this? I don’t think this was Father’s Day or the next day. Cindy did catch Casey lying about her work schedule and partying earlier in June when Cindy ran into a friend of Casey’s who inadvertantly spilled the beans about seeng Casey at a party on a night that she said that she was working.</p>

<p>There was a strong indication that Casey and Cindy had a MAJOR fight the night of Father’s Day because Cindy had just found out that Casey had stolen a large amount of money from Cindy’s parents, and Cindy had to promise her mom (Shirley) that she would pay it back to keep Shirley from calling the police. After the fight, Casey left the house…her cell phone pings indicate that.</p>

<p>Neighbors overheard the yelling, but not the content…and Cindy told Lee about the fight afterwards.</p>

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<p>You play with a snake and you’ve got to be prepared to be bitten yourself. I personally believe that Biaz and Mason perpetuated fraud on the court by fabricating much of Anthony’s defense on their own. Interestingly, in the upcoming civil cases, there is nothing stopping Anthony from simply concocting another story about Caylees’s death and claiming the pool-drowning was her attorney’s fabrication and never happened, and that Caylee was indeed missing all that time. Wonder if Casey’s criminal defense team is the next to get thrown under the bus.</p>

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<p>My gut feeling is that part of Casey’s motivation for killing Kaylee was retaliation against her parents for putting Caylee’s interests above hers. Caylee was the golden child that Casey could never be. She called herself a “spiteful *****” and I believe she knew herself pretty well.</p>

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<p>rogracer,
I have been wondering about that kind of thing, too. I mean, what is to stop an attorney from fabricating to get the right verdict?
Have there been any examples of attorneys getting caught for this?</p>

<p>p.s. I mean, he did have a problem with knowing the “truth” from his client LOL</p>

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<p>Historically, lawyers were loathe to make up stories with no evidence for fear that the jury would punish their client for it. The sense was that the jury would feel that the only reason the defense would have to make up a story for which there is no evidence is because the client is guilty. This jury proved that may not happen so perhaps more defense attorneys will gamble with the “dog ate my homework” defense - particularly when they know their client is guilty.</p>

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<p>Attorneys are officers of the court and must act in good faith. Fabricating a defense on behalf of a client is in conflict with that duty and becomes extrinsic fraud on the court. Proving it is another matter. But in this case, in may be in Casey’s best interest to do exactly that. Could be fascinating to watch how this plays out.</p>

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<p>That is the “truth”!
lol</p>

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<p>Attorneys are officers of the court and must act in good faith. Fabricating a defense on behalf of a client is in conflict with that duty and becomes extrinsic fraud on the court. Proving it is another matter.</p>

<p>While they’re not supposed to fabricate a defense, there’s little to stop them from doing so…especially after they’ve seen the evidence against their client.</p>

<p>The only person who could accuse them of the fabrication is the defendent. And, that would be a difficult situation to expose because of atty/client situation.</p>

<p>Since Baez let Casey sit in jail for 3 years without coming to the prosecution with the “Caylee drowned” story, it does appear that he created the story to fit the evidence. </p>

<p>No atty lets his client sit in jail for 3 years over an accident without speaking to the prosecution. What twenty-something wants to give up 3 years of their life over an accident? </p>

<p>In the case where the defendent is claiming complete lack of knowledge/involvement with the death/disappearance of the victim, then the defense is free to “speculate” and “offer theories” as to what “may” have happened…such as in the case of Scott Peterson who claimed to have no idea what happened to his wife, Laci. so, the defense offered some wild-haired stories of satanic worshippers who may have kidnapped Laci to get her fetus for some odd ritual. </p>

<p>However, in the case of Casey…the defense was not offering “theories”…they were presenting a supposedly “true story” that supposedly came out of Casey’s mouth. They weren’t saying “maybe Caylee drowned”…they said she DID drown. They didn’t say “maybe” George found the body in the pool…they said that he did.</p>

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<p>baez cant violate the attorney/client priviledge…but casey can terminate it at any time by talking to someone… nothing stops her from going out and saying what she said in a meeting with her attorney…of course they would recommend she doesnt but only the attorney is restricted</p>

<p>do we know for sure that baez didnt approach the DA at some point? i think once they charged her with capital murder…it was up to them to decide to accept any story the defense brought to them…if they didnt believe it, then nothing baez can do to get her out of jail…so it may not have been baez LET her sit in jail</p>

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<p>I went to the trial! It was crazy</p>

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<p>It is a complete waste of time and would be a huge blunder for any attorney to go to the prosecution with the client’s “story” unless there was ironclad, irrefutable evidence to back it up. Otherwise it’s just cluing the prosecution into the defense strategy so they can use that information to further bolster their own case.</p>

<p>I know of cases where defense attorneys could find that sort of hard evidence – but you need something that is so convincing that the prosecutor is going to accept it, rather than look for ways to rebut or undermine it. Since there is no evidence of how Kaylee died, there would be no way to prove one way or another that she drowned, so Baez could not possibly have had anything to go to the prosecutor with.</p>

<p>I’d note that if the story Baez told in his opening statement is based on what his client told him, then it wouldn’t be “bad faith” to present that, if he had a reasonable expectation at the beginning of trial that his client was likely to testify. That does’t obligate his client to testify – it just means that as of the time Baez made the statement, he would have done so with the knowledge that he had witness available who would testify to those facts. </p>

<p>I kind of doubt that he ever expected Casey to testify, but there would be no way to prove what his intent was in any case. Sometimes lawyers have stubborn clients who insist that they be allowed to testify, and the lawyers spend every day of the trial trying to convince their client that they shouldn’t – maybe that’s what happened in this case.</p>

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<p>*baez cant violate the attorney/client priviledge…but casey can terminate it at any time by talking to someone… nothing stops her from going out and saying what she said in a meeting with her attorney…of course they would recommend she doesnt but only the attorney is restricted</p>

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<p>Very true… That wasn’t my point. Yes, if Casey brings forth statements/accusations to the Florida Bar that Baez made up the story, then Baez could say that he didn’t. Don’t know if it would be ok for him to show all notes/tape recordings that he didn’t since she brought up the accusation.</p>

<p>But, if the Florida Bar thinks he made up the story, there’s little way that they could prove it. </p>

<p>*It is a complete waste of time and would be a huge blunder for any attorney to go to the prosecution with the client’s “story” unless there was ironclad, irrefutable evidence to back it up. Otherwise it’s just cluing the prosecution into the defense strategy so they can use that information to further bolster their own case.</p>

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<p>Remember, Casey was in jail for awhile before she was charged with murder and the body was even found. </p>

<p>If Caylee drowned, he would have told Casey, we can easily prove that Caylee drowned by getting the body NOW (before it decomposes). We need to go to the prosecution, work out a plea dea, you’ll show the body, they’ll see that she drowned (lungs would indicate that), and you’ll just get charged with lying to cops. </p>

<p>Defense Attys often try plea deals before going to trial. </p>

<p>This whole concern about not wanting to blow the strategy is exaggerated. Typically, the gist of the defense is already known…“not guilty…some other dude did it.” The details aren’t known, but the gist is. Even claims of “not guilty, it was an accident” are usually long declared before the trial. </p>

<p>Nobody lets their client sit in jail for 3 years without a PEEP of “this was an accident.”</p>

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<p>Dr. Phil interviews the Anthony’s tomorrow and Wednesday.</p>