Casey Anthony?

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<p>*The defense claims that her father said they had to cover up the drowning or they would spend the rest of their lives in jail. *</p>

<p>What I heard the defense (Baez) say was: George told Casey that SHE would spend the rest of her life in jail for child neglect. (Of course, a former cop would know that would NOT be true.)</p>

<p>that said…you’re right, George never would have conjured up the “nanny story” or the phony Universal Studios job because as a former cop, he would have know that those stories would immediately get shown to be lies because there was no record of such a person…no cell phone records between Casey and the nanny…and it would easily be shown that she didn’t work for Universal.</p>

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<p>I haven’t followed this story since the arrest. Did the defense ever attempt to work out a plea bargain? With this kind of defendant, and so many fabricated stories to poke holes in, wouldn’t that have been a better deal for Anthony than walking into a courtroom with a possible death penalty? Or was the prosecution always committed to trying a capital case?</p>

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<p>Frazzled-I don’t know the answer to your question, but i do know it only takes one moron on a jury to have “reasonable doubt.”</p>

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It was Casey’s parents who called in the Police after Casey took Caylee from their home and failed to bring her back or let them see/talk with her. After several weeks the parents went looking for Caylee, somehow found Casey’s car; which had a foul odor in it. Casey’s mother then frantically called the Police.</p>

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<p>Obviously speculation here, but even if the defense suggested it to Casey, her grandiosity and narcissism would prevent her from believing that she couldn’t win the case. So, in her mind, why should she accept a plea bargain when she truly believes she’ll be acquitted?</p>

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<p>I have a friend who has a D who fits this description perfectly. She also happens to be brilliant, which may make her even more dangerous in the long run. She fabricated abuse stories against her mother and others several times: twice they were investigated by DHS and found to be innocent. (She admitted to her sister that she lied, and said she didn’t think it would go that far.) Finally she decided that if she became an emancipated minor she would be able to get a full ride to an elite college. (Her parents expected her to contribute something.) She achieved it, thanks to other adult enablers. This girl makes up identities and sheds them at will. She is a habitual thief. She never, ever, tells the truth. When it came down to it, her parents were advised by all, including some national experts on the subject whom they consulted, to simply let her have her emancipation. Everyone knew that if she didn’t get her way, she would without a doubt pull out the big gun: she would accuse her father of molesting her. She would so so without blinking. There are more jaw-dropping details that I will not share for fear that someone would recognize her.</p>

<p>There really are sociopaths out there.</p>

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<p>^^^ Interesting. Is this some sort of mutation, and not the result of a bizarre upbringing and family life? Seriously, what causes this??</p>

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<p>*I haven’t followed this story since the arrest. Did the defense ever attempt to work out a plea bargain? *</p>

<p>Actually…yes…but they were a day late and a dollar short.</p>

<p>In Dec of 2008, the defense was putting the finishing touches on their plea bargain. Supposedly, the deal was Casey would say where the body was for exchange for pleading guilty to a lesser crime and a lighter sentence.</p>

<p>Supposedly, the week that the plea deal was supposed to be all “ironed out,” Caylee’s body was found…so, end of the plea deal…the prosecution had what they wanted…the body. </p>

<p>Of course, since none of this is “on the record,” the defense feels free to come up with this alternate defense of Casey was sexually abused, Caylee drowned, the dad hid the body, and Roy Kronk moved the body (for what reason??? lol) to later collect the reward.</p>

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<p>One thing that can cause lying and the inability to see consequences in one’s behavior, is Fetal Alcohol Effects. Some of these people are quite intelligent, and most have above-average verbal skills. I have no idea if Cindy Anthony drank during pregnancy, but I’ve seen kids/young people like Casey Anthony. It’s scary!</p>

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<p>I too have no idea if Cindy drank during pregnancy but she sure seems like a straight-arrow to me.</p>

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<p>This whole story is so very sad on so many levels.</p>

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<p>Aside from the aforementioned FAS, there are many cases where there is no apparent cause. Some people are just born broken for no apparent reason, and nobody is to blame. My aunt works extensively with children as an occupational therapist, and the children who have exhibited signs of this sort of behavior have come from good homes with parents who want nothing more than to have a healthy, happy kid. It’s very sad. </p>

<p>The causes of mental illness are often so mysterious. With the complexity of the human brain, it’s no surprise, to me at least, that things can go so haywire.</p>

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<p>There’s no doubt that there has been decades long dysfunction in the Anthony home. George has had gambling problems, fidelity problems, job stability problems, etc. George has been known to lie about those things and the mom, Cindy, has had to be “the rock” of the household…she was a RN and was some kind of office manager for a doctor’s group.</p>

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<p>Dysfunction simply doesn’t explain that kind of behavior, though. Plenty of people grow up in completely dysfunctional homes, but they don’t murder their children and go out competing in hot body contests.</p>

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<p>Terrible, terrible case. I do not believe Casey’s story at all. At this point, most anything she says is unbelievable. However, if the defense had an ounce of brains, he would get her to admit blame in the little girl’s death in an accidental matter. I don’t think Casey deliberately planned to kill her daughter, but she did something that resulted in the death. To blame the dad for this now is further evidence that this young woman is a true psychopath.</p>

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<p>“if the defense had an ounce of brains, he would get her to admit blame in the little girl’s death in an accidental matter.”</p>

<p>It may be that he’s a fool, but it also may be that she can’t be convinced to plead. It’s the defendant’s decision, and defendants ignore the advice of their attorneys all the time.</p>

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<p>In the case I mentioned, it is certainly not the latter.</p>

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<p>I heard a snippet about the defense plans to explain her searching “chloroform” on the internet - something to do with a comment made by a boyfriend. Anyone have the details on this? </p>

<p>I’m not sure how they defend the combination of the internet search and the chloroform found in the car - unless the jury just chooses not to trust the science. </p>

<p>I thought at one point that she used chloroform and maybe other substances to knock Caylee out so she could go out and that she gave her too much and killed her. Now, the prosecution says the duct tape killed her? Maybe she thought she was dead from the chloroform but, just in case she was just unconscious, she put the duct tape over her mouth and face so she wouldn’t make noise if she woke up in the trunk while she was out.</p>

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<p>*Dysfunction simply doesn’t explain that kind of behavior, though. Plenty of people grow up in completely dysfunctional homes, but they don’t murder their children and go out competing in hot body contests. *</p>

<p>I absolutely agree. I hope you didn’t think that I was suggesting that the dysfunction caused all of this. I just mentioned it because the defense is trying to imply that because of the dysfunction, Casey is what she is…a liar who hides her feelings.</p>

<p>When this first happened, I really thought that Caylee had drowned in the family pool because of the timing. George had seen Casey and Caylee that day, and then he left for work around 2pm. Then, around 4 pm, Casey is making phone calls. So, it was possible that while on the phone, the child drowned…and Casey didn’t want to tell her family - who absolutely adored that grandchild. </p>

<p>However, Casey’s demeanor over the next few days was just odd. That very night she’s shown in a video store, then she’s shown shopping and drinking in bars. Too odd.</p>

<p>*“if the defense had an ounce of brains, he would get her to admit blame in the little girl’s death in an accidental matter.”</p>

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<p>It may be that he’s a fool, but it also may be that she can’t be convinced to plead. It’s the defendant’s decision, and defendants ignore the advice of their attorneys all the time. *</p>

<p>Very true. Casey sees herself as missing the best years of her life while in jail, and she’d rather take the gamble of a trial. If she’s found “not guilty,” she’ll go free and still have many “good years” left.</p>

<p>That said…the defense is essentially saying that she admits to her D’s death in an accidental manner…drowning in a pool. They can’t present that she’s guilty of using chloroform and accidentally killed her D…that’s felony murder. An unintended death that occurs during the commission of a felony (using chloroform on a child) is felony murder. Just like setting a home on fire, and not knowing someone is in it…and the person dies. Felony murder.</p>

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<p>That’s only one theory that the defense has posited so far. I suspect there will be other theories that they put forth as well. All they need to do is create “reasonable doubt” in one juror’s mind about the prosecution’s theory and she walks.</p>