Chance and Match me plz (rewritten) [PA, pre-med, 3.8UW/4.2W, 1510, PSAT 1490 possible NMSF, <$60k]

You’re in a good spot.

Pitt is your safety valve. And you want urban/semi urban/urbanish reaches with merit. There’s not many. Vandy, WUSTL, Rice, Emory, USC, CWRU, Rochester, Lehigh, Miami, Wake, Nova - assume you’re not going any but that’s a group to look at. The thing to think about - a school like Wake gives merit to less than 3%. BU 8% and small awards. Are they worth the effort ? Easy to use the CDS to cull down.

Throw in a UMN and C of C type. and you’re good. If you want Boston but need aid, it’s smaller but a school like Brandeis will be a better possibility than BU/BC.

Your list needn’t be big. Can be one but you want more. But once Pitt is in, all pressure is off. If you get like many and say -too many essays, you just stop :slight_smile:

You are way ahead though. Your search is relatively easy because you’ve done a great job determining needs and budget. You are a great example for others to follow in prep.

Yeah you had some missteps but were informed and pivoted quickly.

1 Like

Im planning on writing common app essay over the summer and maybe pre writing a couple of common supplemental prompts.

2 Likes

Something like biomedical science or biology major? Would biological science majors be better than chemical science majors or health majors? I know this may have been answered somewhere throughout this discussion but Im still a little bit confused.

I definitely want to get through undergrad in 4 years or less and I want to be well prepared for the MCAT and med school (I know everyone has to take similar/same prerequisites) but I feel like some majors would look better. Is biology really the best by far or are there other options that will still have similar opportunities/benefits? Thanks!

You will not be prepared for the mcat after graduation unless you have been prepping. I’ve never heard of biology being the best for those planning on med school, actually the opposite since most don’t end up at med school it’s not a very employable major. You just need to take the necessary prerequisites.

3 Likes

Major in something that interests you - so that if med school doesn’t happen, then you have that - whether it’s a science, social science, engineering, business or more.

Don’t game for med school - game on yourself for life - and just get the classes done.

I think people do the hard sciences because they work well with the pre reqs vs. adding extra time.

3 Likes

Sorry for the delay getting back to you. There was a family emergency.

Per AMCAS data, health (public health, nutrition, exercise physiology, clinical lab science/medical technology, athletic training, etc) and allied health career majors are admitted to med schools at lower rates than all other majors, even when their lower than average MCAT and GPAs are adjusted for.

It’s not entirely clear why this is true. It could be because adcomms feel these majors lack the rigor of more “traditional” majors. It could be adcomms believe that graduates in these field are more valuable working in their area of interest reflected by their major. Or something else entirely. But regardless of the reason, the data shows students with these majors are less likely to end with a med school admission even if their stats are in the typical range for MD programs.

As for your actual major-- adcomms have very little care for what your actual major is. Sociology? Fine. Biomedical engineering? Fine. Mathematics? Fine. Forestry? Fine. Italian language and culture? Fine. Music theory and composition? History? Classics? Gender studies? Fine. Fine. Fine, Fine.

Their major concern is that you have done well in the pre-reqs and that your sGPA is strong. (sGPA include grades ONLY from bio, chem, physics and math classes.) And that you have excellent grades in your upper level major classes. Why UL major classes? These are looked at a sign of how well you handle complexity, depth and rigor in your coursework. It’s a proxy used to help guess how well a student will be able to handle the firehouse of new material they’ll be hit with in med school.

BTW, sGPA is one area where being a non-science major can hurt a student’s admission chances. Because a non-science major is taking far fewer science & math classes than a science major would, any stumble in a pre-reqs will have a greater impact on the sGPA. A science major will have more science classes to dilute the effect of a B or C grade in a pre-req.

I definitely want to get through undergrad in 4 years or less and I want to be well prepared for the MCAT and med school (I know everyone has to take similar/same prerequisites) but I feel like some majors would look better. Is biology really the best by far or are there other options that will still have similar opportunities/benefits?!

Everyone must take the same pre-reqs. Medical school curriculums assume that students have not taken advanced classes in biology, stats, biochemistry, etc so coursework starts from the post pre-req level. But med school courses cover tons of material extremely quickly. What would normally be a full semester UL science elective like immunology or cancer biology in college will be cover in a 3-5 lectures (about 1-1.5 weeks) in med school. So any advantage to having taken advanced UL bio electives disappears fairly quickly in med school. OTOH, any weakness in undergrad science preparation will become apparent even more quickly and the student will fall behind almost from the beginning of the class.

I don’t recommend that every pre-med major in biology or biomedical science unless that is absolutely where their interest falls. And for many, it is, but not everyone. (Both my daughter majored in math then went to med school.)

Major in what you are interested in. It’s easier to do well in classes you like and care about. But recognize that you must absolutely crush all your pre-reqs because a non-BCPM major has fewer chances to make up for one less than ideal grade and you need to know your science inside out and backwards in order to stay afloat in med school.

As for MCAT prep–no college coursework will directly prepare you for the MCAT. The MCAT isn’t an achievement test. It doesn’t test knowledge of facts/data. It’s an aptitude test. It tests real world problem solving using your science knowledge as a starting point. Most students take 6 weeks to 6 months of dedicated self- study time to prep for the test. A content review of al lthe pre- req coursework is just the very first step of MCAT prep.

5 Likes

Biology may be a common pre-med major because of the substantial overlap between biology major courses and pre-med courses, so it may be less difficult to fit everything into an eight semester schedule.

1 Like

Or Chemistry. Since 4 Chems + Biochem are required by most schools.

3 Likes

Sorry to interrupt someone else’s thread, but how does this

fit with this:

Is it anything except health subjects?

Two majors I have thought about are public health and computational biology. It sounds like the latter might be a better choice.

The data is the data.

There are two groups of majors that have higher than average acceptances rates for med school-- math and humanities.

However, I’m sure there is significant selection bias involved because the numbers of math/statistics majors and humanities majors who apply to med school are quite low. (300 math majors; 1400 humanities majors vs. 30,000 biological science majors. AAMCS FACT Table A-17)

how does this…fit with this

As I said the reasons are opaque (as are most things having to do with med school admission), it could be that adcomms feel health sciences majors are too “vocational” compared to more traditional majors.

4 Likes

Do you think computational biology might be a good choice?

Are you interested in it ?

You should major in something that interests you.

2 Likes

I haven’t done it yet so I would need to take some courses to know for sure, but it seems like something I would like.

I am good at math, and I particularly like applied math, and I like the idea of applying math to problems related to healthcare on a population level. I haven’t done a lot of coding but what I have done I have enjoyed and I seem to be decent at.

If I think about what jobs I might want to do if I don’t become a doctor or PA, then I could see myself working on issues of healthcare policy and healthcare access.

2 Likes

I appreciate the desire but you are in hs.

There’s so many jobs out there that you don’t even know about.

Take varied classes. See what locks with your interest.

Careers don’t need to be decided at 18…or 22.

I got a job out of grad school I didn’t even know existed.

1 Like

Just want to offer some more insight on UF
This year they had over 90.000 Applications and are looking at about a sub 20% acceptance rate
This is the First year with an Early Action and Regular admission round plus a Waitlist for UF. So we don’t know how the final numbers will work out
UF admits roughly 80% plus instate the rest OOS and international.
Florida has a 90% instate quota by law but it is University system wide not school specific.
OOS admission is even more competitive than instate
In addition to having the GPA and Test Scores
UF From what I have seen highly values rigor, they look for students that are taking the most challenging courses available to them.
UF also highly values the essay.
EC they like meaningful ones and leadership
UF does not look at letters of recommendation
Finally, UF should be considered a reach school

If you are looking for Pre Med in Florida you should consider adding University of South Florida to your list. I saw other post already mention FSU and UCF

1 Like

Only if you like math (upper level stats, probability theory, discrete math, at some schools: calc 1,2,3 + linear algebra), computer science (not just programming, but things like complex data structures, algorithm design, database management, maybe machine learning) and genomics/genetic analysis.

Pick a major that interests you and that helps you prepare for a Plan B career.

If public health is your passion–study that and put extra effort into developing yourself into a viable med school applicant by taking coursework that demonstrate extra rigor and depth (maybe a minor in statistics, data science, applied math, chemistry or another academic subject area.)

Math/stats/data science will be very useful if you decide to pursue a MPH (which are required for most public health jobs).

3 Likes

Consider:

The University at Buffalo, undergrad population = 20,000, out of state tuition, fees, room, & board = $50,000. Scholarships available.

University of Cincinnati, undergrad population = 30,000, out-of-state tuition, fees, room, & board = $50,000. Scholarships available.

4 Likes

Dw abt interrupting we have similar situation so ur questions r valuable

1 Like

but in terms of environment, education, name, connections, and even price, why would i consider these schools when I have a really good chance at an instate school like pitt or penn state. I dont really understand why these would be better options, could you please explain your reasoning?

1 Like

Good question. :slightly_smiling_face:

I didn’t recommend that you consider either of these schools as better options. I suggested them because they fit your criteria in terms of size, location, environment, and most importantly cost. Many of the schools on your list are not only a reach but are outside of your budget. I know that you are hoping for scholarships, but until you actually have a scholarship somewhere, that is an unknown. In your original post, you asked for matches. In order for a school to be a match, it has to match in cost as well as admissions likelihood. These two options fit in both regards.

While you don’t need a hospital nearby your undergraduate college to properly prepare for med school, it might be helpful for those who have an interest in shadowing, volunteering, or research. Penn State is remote in this respect. The Med School isn’t even on the State College campus. Of my 2 suggestions, University of Cincinnati has the advantage over Penn State of having the UC Med Center within walking distance of the college’s campus. It’s a lot like Pitt in this respect. It’s not better than Pitt in any way that I know of. It just gives you another option if you want one. And like Pitt it does have a BS/MD program to which you can apply right out of high school. These programs are very, very competitive for admissions. So, if you are considering applying to this type of program, it would be good to have more than one such program to which to apply in order to increase your chances of admission.

2 Likes