Chance and Match me plz (rewritten) [PA, pre-med, 3.8UW/4.2W, 1510, PSAT 1490 possible NMSF, <$60k]

Be aware that most jobs in public health require a MPH for entry level positions.

Bachelor-level public health jobs tend to be with non-profits where salaries are relatively modest.

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One consideration for major is whether you will be able to fit your pre-med classes into your schedule and graduate on time. I strongly recommend sitting down with a college course catalog and using a spreadsheet to plot out your course of studies. At mid-sized universities, upper level electives may only be offered every other year.

Another consideration is that at some colleges, science classes may be impacted and non-science majors may have difficulty getting the classes they need.

Majoring in something other than a science may require 5 years for undergrad, overloading on coursework or taking multiple summer sessions. (It’s highly recommended that pre-meds do NOT take ochem during the summer for several reasons, including the pace of the summer session and truncation of topics covered.)

Although you can major in anything and still go to med school, there are practical reasons why most pre-meds major in a biological science.

And if you want a science major that offers better options than biology–I strongly recommend you consider math. Lots of opportunities to take a math degree in different directions

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Bing will not work for LECOM. LECOM caps # of students from each college. Probability is too small that reserved seat will be available with a big college and so many premed students.
Also LECOM forces students to be Natural Science majors (Bio, Chem or Physics with a strong preference for Bio.) This student should not consider LECOM. It is not good fit.

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What is the goal for this major? Is it something that you would want to be able to get a job straight from undergrad in? Or is it something that has various paths but would likely require graduate school?

Looking at Pitt, these are some majors that could be of interest (linked to Pitt’s page on the major):

Not to mention the idea of getting a certificate in a field such as:

Obviously, there’s a big range here, and this is not an exhaustive list. Additionally, what will matter more than the name of your major is what you do with your time, both during the school year and with any internships. Your experience and skills will be what helps to get you a job, not just a title.

Please note that when majoring in engineering it’s typically pretty challenging to keep a high enough GPA to remain competitive for med school admissions. It’s not impossible, but it’s certainly not the easy route. It will, however, have some of the higher salaries coming straight out of college.

For any majors that require science courses, you would want to make sure you take the ones that pre-med students take, as sometimes the science courses for nurses or allied health majors may not be the ones that the med schools want to see. You would need to check at each individual university whether this is allowed (I have heard of some that restrict this).

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To add to the above, the volume of general education requirements that do not overlap with your major and pre-med courses will also affect how crowded your schedule will be and whether you can complete all of it in eight semesters.

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Got it - thanks.

But also note that sometimes the major course is a harder or more advanced version than the one the most pre-meds and biology majors take. In that case, such a course is also typically accepted by medical schools. Examples would be courses like physics for physics majors or calculus and statistics for math and statistics majors.

I.e. a pre-med should generally choose the harder or more advanced version of a course between:

  • the one for biology majors and most pre-meds
  • the one for their actual major
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I’m confused by this. BU’s undergraduate population is similar to Pitt’s, but slightly smaller.

There is quite a bit of debate about grade deflation at BU. Many students attest that tough grading makes it unnecessarily difficult to get a med-school-worthy GPA. In terms of wanting smaller classes, though, BU does have an honors college with its own residential community. (That said, so does Pitt.)

All told, I agree that for most students, the full-pay price of BU would not be worth it compared to Pitt at in-state prices. That’s a huge price difference for a minor/debatable reputational difference (and I say that as a BU grad), and getting enough merit to close the gap is highly unlikely.

OP, you’re actually in a great position, to have Pitt setting the bar. As Thumper already said, apply as soon as the app opens, on August 1st, and your offer-to-beat should be nailed down before October. Then you can be very judicious about what else is really worth applying to.

AustenNut has already done what I was thinking - a survey of undergrad majors at Pitt that would be suitable. The operative question that I keep coming back to is, how do you feel about math? A more quantitative major can lay a great foundation for med school while also opening doors in terms of other career options and/or employment for a few years between undergrad and med school. Even if public health is of interest
 in all of my experience with public health research teams, the role for which they were always trying to hire was the stats expert. You could major in statistics and then get work experience in public health. (Of course, that’s presuming that there will be any funding for public health research/initiatives in the years ahead
) As another quantitative option, that mathematical biology major hits most of the bio/chem premed requirements, but substitutes a math skill-set for the upper-level life science requirements of a bio major, which you don’t find appealing and don’t need for med school.

If you like computing, a data science or health informatics major could also give you a great background.

The BS in Emergency Medicine is an unusual and cool offering, although it appears to be more geared for aspiring paramedics and PA’s than to those who want to be MD’s.

Public Health can be a great premed major, although I’m not sure Pitt’s version is optimized for premeds. It may be better suited for people who want to go straight into community-facing jobs like being a health educator. There’s zero overlap between the major requirements and the premed science requirements. A good comparison to make would be to look at Pitt’s BSPH requirements as compared to the BS in Public Health Sciences at UMass Amherst. UMass seems to have more flexibility in terms of ticking off premed requirements within the major, and also in terms of choosing a more theoretical and/or quantitative focus within public health, vs. Pitt’s community-based emphasis (which is great if that’s what you want, but it adds a bunch of community service requirements that won’t overlap with the shadowing and such that you need to do for med school). Anyway, that’s just my impression, but you can compare for yourself and ask questions of any program you’re considering. And not to push UMass, but it’s not unusual for them to give enough merit to be competitive with Pitt on price, and their undergrad public health program is excellent, so it’s a thought, especially if you could score a Commonwealth Honors offer.

ANYWAY
 I completely agree with the assessment that Pitt is the one to beat and may well be impossible to beat on price+reputation+environment. Be ready to apply early to Pitt - you don’t need to use the Common App at that point if you don’t want to - you can just apply via Pitt’s own application. Once you have an offer nailed down there, you’ll be well-positioned to be ruthless about eliminating other possibilities that you know won’t beat Pitt.

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Fair point - they are similar. As it turns out, BU has a lot of grad students - as does Pitt - but many, many more.

I realized that after I wrote.

The total pop is much bigger but undergrad similar.

Thanks

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I understand from other comments as well, thanks!

I agree that Pitt is really one of my best options atp but if possible I want to see some other options as I said somewhere else in these comments

not really since I am familiar with Pitt and I’ve been looking at it for a long time (my sibling attends)

ok thank you! I will research more into this

I sent you a DM - the green envelope in the upper right.

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I will again say, you have a couple of sure things, and it sounds like affordability isn’t an issue. You have expressed your geographic preferences well. And your list reflects places you might like.

The only issue I see is that some of the schools on your list don’t give merit aid at all, so if you really want or need that, they probably need to be crossed off.

And as I said earlier, some of the merit aid at some of the schools on your list (BU, UVA, Vandy, for example) is very highly competitive, but no reason not to try.

If you reach NMF status and want to consider a free ride, then look at Tulsa or Alabama. But you don’t have to.

I suggested CWRU and University of Rochester because I think they would meet your needs well
but that’s my opinion. Maybe look at them and decide for yourself.

If you don’t want to be in flyover country, then don’t. If you don’t want to be in specific locations, then don’t.

Fact is
you need to be some place you really like and will be happy at for four years. Happy students tend to do better in college. And you will need to be at the top of your game if you do apply to medical school in the future.

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URoch has a great collection of undergrad majors under the umbrella of public health, too: Undergraduate Programs : Undergraduate Program in Public Health : University of Rochester

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^^THIS. Actually a BS in Emergency Medicine will be a disadvantage when applying for med school since you will be asked (and asked, and asked
) why med school and why not paramedic? Unless you have some actual job experience as a paramedic, this question will be difficult to answer. (Recently helped mentor a young person with a BS in Emergency Medical Services who had several years as paramedic with the regional ambulance service and many of their interviewers strongly questioned their rationale for pursuing the EMS degree and whether they were sufficiently committed to medicine.)

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From what tsbna44 has said, I realized what you say is true so I changed my list a lot and it is still not complete. Thanks for the advice!

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Once it’s more complete, share if you want to here. And folks will give you their impressions.

Choosing which colleges for applications is a process. And you are seeing now why it takes time
and good thought.

Adding
your school counselor might be a good source of information as well.

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yea I have talked possible options with my counselor and my mom but since its constantly being updated i need to finalize my list

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Take your time! You won’t be applying until late summer/early fall depending on the college. Lots of time to tweak your choices for applications. Absolutely no rush!

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