Chance me - Fall 2025 (Princeton, Yale and Stanford)

This is for S25. I know all 3 are reaches and the chances are extremely low. Thoughts?

Atlanta suburb public school - average school compared to the other competitive schools in the state
SAT 1540 (Math 800) - Highest in his school
Class Rank 1/546
13 APs - 5s & 4s
Top awards at school for stellar academics and ECs
Co-Founder of a club that has over 270+ active members and provided 1000+ hours of service hours to it’s members so far
Instructor at Mathnasium (for the last 2 years)
Math Team - President(12th) VP(11th) and JV Captain (9th)
Vice President Mu Alpha Theta
Tutor at School’s east wing - teaches Math and Physics
Robotics Referee
Regular Volunteer @ Habitat for Humanity and a few other organizations.
Part of the school leadership council - selected by school principal

Essays - good
Recommendations - good

Accepted - GA Tech (Computer Science), UGA (Computer Science)
Rejected - None so far
Waiting on Admission decision - Yale (RD - Applied Math), Stanford (RD - Math), Princeton (deferred SCEA - CS)

No legacy. No hooks. D23 is a Sophomore at Princeton

You noted these are all reaches and you are accurate.

Your student is a strong applicant, but will just need to wait and see. Honestly, I do not think it’s possible to give you a worthwhile chance me answer to any of these.

Could be yes, and could be no.

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Agree, it is impossible to chance at these schools. Your son is absolutely a well qualified applicant so a huge congratulations on his accomplishments to date. As you know, the issue is that Yale, Stanford, and Princeton have acceptance rates around (or less than) 5% and there will be more well qualified applicants than spots available. All you can do is wait and see.

The good news is that your son has amazing acceptances in hand. GA Tech in-state for CS is a pretty fantastic back-up plan!

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Please understand that these are my opinions, and it is extremely hard to chance for these schools. Be proud of him for GT CS, truly an amazing achievement.

The only issue I have is slightly non-unique ECs… He blends into the masses with his ECs. Let me go through everyone one by one.

SAT: Score is fine.
Rank: Valedictorian is great, but not a deciding factor. Definitely a positive, though.
13 APs: AP scores play virtually no role in the admission process, as the score depends on the teacher, not just the student. He will get quite a bit of college credit though, so still a positive. 13 is a solid number of APs and the scores will only help.
School Awards: Not sure how big/how many students get this, but this seems to be an extension of the Valedictorian ranking. Nice to have.
Co-Founder of large club: Not sure how many people are in school, but 270 seems like quite a bit. If there is a good impact and story alongside this, it is good. I am praying he did not sell himself as a stat in his essays, and instead showed himself as a “feeling” and that he enjoyed his time here. Will definitely help.
Mathnasium: Job experience is great, really depends on whether he shows what he learned from the job.
Math Team, Mu Alpha Theta: Solid ECs, once again it depends on awards/impact shown.
Tutor: Once again, solid EC.
Robotics Referee: Seems fine, but I don’t know as I don’t have info about impact.
Regular Volunteer: Doesn’t hurt to have hours, but for this to have an impact it really should be more than 150-200 hours, because colleges recognize that most schools require hours. Unless the number and impact is above and beyond (“I led a city-wide initiative” or something of the sort).
Leadership Council: If this is a class, this is fine. If this an EC/Club/After-school activity, it holds a bit more weight but once again just matters on impact
Essays: “Good” isn’t normally good enough. I can’t speak for essays as I haven’t read them but deferral over rejection is a somewhat good sign.

LOR: Personally, I had LORs from two teachers who both affirmed that they had written me some of the strongest LORs they had ever written (20+ years of teaching each). Additionally, my counselor LOR was written by a VP who knew me extremely well, rather than something generic written by my counselor. These set me apart from every other “strong” applicant. If your son received an LOR from his principal, that would hold immense weight. However, “good” won’t cut it.

Other Schools: Unfortunately, other schools don’t predict future success. Plenty of students get into one amazing school and no others. I’ve seen students from my school get into Princeton and still get rejected from most of their safety and target schools, even UCs.

tl;dr: A strong student who stands out due to very strong, albeit somewhat non-unique, ECs. Strong scores and community service, but no state/national-level awards or impacts. It’s pretty easy to picture him on campus, though, as the focus on Math & Community Service is there.

The question comes to whether the volunteering held enough impact, and whether his essays truly helped readers understand how he would contribute to campus while utilizing resources, which I think he will. He is a 2-/3+ candidate, which would put him in the running for admission. My hypotheses:
Waitlist Princeton: Academics need to be sustained and LOCI will greatly help.
Accept Yale: He clearly shows the camaraderie and community service, which combined with strong stats make this a strong case. I pray he displayed a collaborative mindset.
Reject Stanford: It’s hard to picture him on the entrepreneurial campus.

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@SunSteel Wow, thats an amazing feedback! Thanks so much for taking the time to give me a detailed response. Appreciate it very much.

He does have a lot of volunteering hours (500+ hours total). He takes volunteering very seriously and puts his heart in whatever he chooses to do.

This isn’t part of the class, but selected by the Principal and hosted/sponsored by Chik fil-a. They have service projects as part of this as well.

He was deferred from Princeton SCEA. He was a Salutatorian when he submitted the SCEA application. He has moved up to the Valedictorian spot. The counselor sent the mid year report and S25 submitted an LOCI with updates that included a new award.

Thanks again! Have a great evening.

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I disagree. While it is not something that tips the scale, high AP scores serve as a check on school grades. Little, if any, credit will be given at Princeton or Yale. Not sure on Stanford policies. As for 13, it doesn’t matter so much other than consistent with high rigor. As I understand GA is one of those heavy AP states, like FL, so that number is common for strong students.

This. I believe that is a very common mistake. Even the brightest kids fall into the trap of describing their achievement/award/research and fail to showcase the more intangible aspects of their person. I also think his ECs, as listed here, are meh, but it is really about how he talks about them then the activities themselves.

Honestly, I would not be surprised if he gets into one, all, or none of them. I would venture he has a slightly better chance at Princeton than the other two, even if they don’t “officially” consider sibling legacy when the student is qualified (they are too common on campus to be otherwise IMO). In terms of the deferral, is not the case of him needing to improve his profile for admissions. He is admissible. My guess is they will look at him again when they are “shaping” the class and that will ultimately determine the outcome.

I know the wait is hard… been there, done that… but what an amazing opportunity to have an in-state GTech CS acceptance to fall back on.

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Yes, that was my worry as well. All his ECs are at the school/local community level, although he gave his best in each of those ECs. We’ll see what happens. But he’s very excited about GA Tech (CS) regardless. So, it won’t be a huge disappointment for him if he doesn’t get into any of these 3. At the end of the day, if he’s happy, we are too :slight_smile:

Thanks so much for your thoughts.

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Great applicant - if he wants to be in CS and lands at Ga Tech, who is to say that’s not the best of all.

Certainly he has a chance at all - but a good chance - no - but someone is going to get in, why not him?

For CS, perhaps the SAT is low - as at Princeton 1540 is the mid point of the school Nutty to say but if you have to find a flaw…

I hope he gets in.

Good luck.

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@thumper1 @happy1 @SunSteel @TonyGrace @tsbna44 thank you all for your responses earlier. Just wanted to give you an update on S25.
Applied only to 5 schools
Accepted: UGA, GA Tech, Princeton
Waitlisted: None
Rejected: Yale, Stanford
Committed: Princeton

Princeton was his top choice. He applied early, got deferred and accepted in the RD round. Filled with gratitude.

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Congrats to all! Fantastic!!

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Thank you for the update…and :tada::tada::tada:

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Congrats!!!

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