Chance me for California privates [4.0UW, 1390SAT, 4 honors]

(I am submitting on behalf of a teenage relative /cousin)

Demographics

  • US Citizen
  • State/Location of residency: TN
  • Type of high school (or current college for transfers): Public
  • Other special factors: first generation, immigrant parent who didn’t graduate HS

Cost Constraints / Budget
Grandparent 529 available with about $20,000 per year

-1500 on FAFSA

GPA, Rank, and Test Scores

  • Unweighted HS GPA: 4.0
  • Weighted HS GPA: 4.2
  • Class Rank: top 20% (competitive high school)
  • ACT/SAT Scores: 1390SAT

List your HS coursework

A few honors class, only 3 AP classes (2 senior year right now) because needed to work since the age of 14, single mom who dropped out of school at age 15 with drug problem so fairly unstable financially. Student worked 20 hours a week during school year and full time in summer so she didn’t feel she could take APs and keep a 4.0

English honors and AP Statistics this year

She wants to be a physics major but didn’t realize she liked science much less physics until last year during college prep physics class when she knocked it out of the park (teacher told her she was her best student who really got it) so taking AP physics now

Extracurriculars
Band, music, orchestra, and then all free time to restaurant part-time job to support family. Same employer for three years, with two promotions

Essays/LORs/Other
Pretty strong, help from college-educated distant relatives, one who works in academia

Schools

Dream is California, so only California schools. Private since public’s OOS are unaffordable. Trying to improve SAT in December so didn’t submit ED and EA only to one school

Schools on list (from hardest to easier):

Stanford, Pomona College, Occidental, Santa Clara, Loyola Marymount, USD, U San Francisco.

Wants to know if any of these are “safety”, would be very tough if rejected from all. Thanks!

I don’t think she’d be rejected from all, but not all meet full need so the question is whether an affordable acceptance will happen.

If she likes Pomona, why only Pomona, of the Claremont Colleges? She could apply to Pitzer, Scripps, and/or CMC as well. All meet need, although their formulae vary.

I wonder, though… since she recently fell in love with physics, has she fully explored whether she wants to keep the option of an engineering major open? If so, then the Catholic U’s might be more desirable than the others. USF has only general engineering (with several concentrations) and is still in the process of seeking ABET accreditation, but it could be an appealing program for a physics kid who wants an engineering option. All three offer ED2, fwiw, if the Net Price Calculators project an affordable net cost.

U of the Pacific in Stockton would definitely accept her, and they are generous with merit and give need-based aid as well. Stockton might not fully match her California “dream”… but if she’s “CA or bust” it would give her an admissions safety and potentially a financial safety as well - she can run the NPC to find out.

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Closing for review

Reopening - it’s OK for the OP to ask for advice for their relative.

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Physics is available at the Claremont colleges.

Brand new to CC community and thank you this is so very helpful! I was considering recommending one more CA school like university of Redlands as a “sure thing” even though indeed it was not the vision she had of California and UoP is one I hadn’t considered! Given her challenging home life I am the only one really advising her on colleges and I have zero experience on this process since 1987…and am learning none of what I knew then is helpful.

We have run the NPC and Stanford, Pomona, Occidental and USF come in easily within 529 amount for all four years no loans. USD doesn’t seem to have a functioning NPC so that one is a black box. LMU and Santa Clara NPC are too high, though the net price listed on the College navigator government website for her income level for those two in theory could come in within 529 budget but I don’t understand why the LMU NPC says 50k/year when at her family income level the college navigator says $30k.

She didn’t apply for pitzer because the supplemental question asks why she wants to go there and she just didn’t like the vibe so didn’t think it would be an authentic answer to Pitzer. She really wanted Harvey Mudd but coming so late to science she just didn’t have any of the pre reqs and Pomona might be easier for physics than HM. She is attracted to engineering and wants that as a possible option which basically moved Santa Clara way down the list since you have to apply to the engineering school now (which she isn’t ready to do) and no easy way to move to engineering afterwards. I didn’t know that about USF so that is helpful too. Thank you!

I tried to help her come up with enough in each group reach/target/safety but was second guessing USF and USD as safeties, so that is why I am looking for help to see if we have any true safeties on this list / easy chances of getting in.

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What about Scripps? It’s an easier admit than Pomona but with all the same benefits of the Claremont Consortium. Not a safety but a reasonable target.

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I think she was put off by all women’s but it doesn’t require anything else besides common app so I will suggest it as an easier way for Claremont colleges in general. Thank you!

Remember that the five-college community is truly integrated. The all-women’s atmosphere mainly affects living arrangements and some lovely campus traditions, but not a whole lot more than that. The academic and extra-curricular experience will be co-ed.

ETA: When my D23 applied, I think there were a couple of supplemental essays – double check (of course it’s possible they’ve eliminated them).

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Thanks will check!

Have you looked at Chapman? My kid attended about 10 years ago so I don’t have current information. But back then, mine was awarded more than 1/2 tuition merit stacked with a $5k music scholarship (did not need to be a music major). We don’t qualify for aid.

Nice campus in a lovely area. Just a heads up that the surrounding area is pricey. True of much of CA, unfortunately.

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My Scripps kid initially wasn’t seeking a women’s college either. In many ways, the experience is more like a women’s residential college within a coed university. I’d encourage her not to rule it out if the NPC is favorable. Pomona is a very, very tough admit. It’s understandable why she kept her course rigor in check in high school, but if her counselor rec isn’t going to say that she had the highest rigor available for her school, I would having trouble being bullish about a Pomona admit. Pomona’s Common Data Set lists both rigor and class rank as “very important,” and more than 90% of entering students were in the top 10% of their HS class. Being from a less-represented state will help, but it’s still a long shot. Scripps would give her all of the same academic opportunities. (My Scripps kid did her primary major through Pomona and took classes at all five colleges.) Though she couldn’t do an engineering major at either one, which was why I asked about the relative importance of keeping that option open.

How odd that there’s such a big difference in financial projections between USF and Santa Clara/LMU. But great that USF looks solidly affordable! My kids have had a number of friends attend USF and their experiences have been consistently positive. It seems to me that USF may hit the sweet spot here. The physics department is solid and has a range of options for minors and combined majors. She could get her feet wet in engineering via the engineering physics minor, or she could do a full engineering major if she decided to - the flexibility to switch is there, and it looks like the ABET accreditation will likely be in place by the time she graduates. I’m not comfortable saying that USF is a slam-dunk safety, given that it is need-aware, but I think it’ll happen. They value the kind of character she has shown through her challenging family circumstances, and the geographic diversity will be a plus too; and she’s a very solid applicant there in terms of raw stats.

Would she consider Pacific Northwest schools? Reed meets need and could be a realistic reach, and it’s a top feeder to physics PhD programs. (This list ranks it 4th, behind only Caltech, Harvey Mudd, and MIT: The Colleges Where PhD's Get Their Start ) No engineering, but the physics department is super-strong… and Portland is a great west coast city. Of the other PNW privates that might work, it’s again the Catholic U’s that have engineering (Seattle U and U of Portland… also Gonzaga but eastern WA is a different beast, probably not what she has in mind). For non-engineering LAC’s, there’s Lewis & Clark, Willamette, and U of Puget Sound… plus Whitman which is probably too remote/inland but is a really nice school and gives merit prereads.

Anyway, not to belabor a tangent that’s outside your criteria, but Reed seemed worth mentioning if Mudd has been clocked as appealing but out of reach.

If it’s California-only for sure, given the projected financials you describe and the desire to keep an engineering option in the mix… I’d personally be tempted to ED2 at USF (if it’s not the one to which she already applied EA). I don’t think Pomona or Stanford will happen for her (thought I’d be happy to be proven wrong), and Oxy is more limited in terms of engineering exposure. (They do have cross-registration with Caltech, but that could be a pretty rough way of wading into something new.) Oxy is a great school, but it’s very small; USF is 3x the size, which means more possibilities to choose from in terms of course offerings, research labs, and so on. And I’d be very surprised if an ED2 app to USF didn’t result in an acceptance; it would decrease the concern that the financial aid budget might be running low by the time her application was evaluated.

Not to pressure you to foreclose on other options, but given the financial pressures, that’s one risk-averse line of thinking to consider.

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I also agree that Stanford, Pomona and Harvey Mudd are not happening. Way too “reachy” for her profile. Also Physics department is pretty much in every college (but some Art schools). Why limit the search? Why only CA? There are many top LACS that would be happy to have her. I would apply to Rhodes College as super safety. They will provide merit and FA plus state scholarships, so it would be affordable.

Some new information tonight — the USD NPC is finally working and the result is same as USF and Occidental, well within 529 amounts. So this puts USD at the top of the list in terms of preference. Any thoughts on chances there? Is that close to a safety?

Great news about the NPC! TBH, I have always had trouble feeling “dialed in” about the relative competitiveness of USD, but I think she should get in… maybe others feel clearer about this school than I do.

How does she feel about the religious aspect? USF is Jesuit (as are Santa Clara and LMU), whereas USD is not. The Jesuit schools tend to feel more inclusive, more social justice-y, and less “in your face” in terms of religious imagery and ideology. The vibe is different in other ways, too. USF is very much embedded in the city and connected to the urban community; USD feels more insular. What does she prefer? (My thinking was that if California was that big a deal to her, USF is a deep-dive California experience, whereas to me, USD feels more “nice college with California weather,” although maybe those with direct experience will contest that impression.)

The fact that all engineering students at USD get a dual BS/BA degree deserves a closer look. The curriculum maps suggest that the norm is 4.5 years to complete the dual degree; I wonder whether this would be a deterrent to pursuing engineering, given the financial constraints. (Example: https://www.sandiego.edu/engineering/documents/programs/degree-plans/25-26/meng-plan-25-26.pdf There’s also a physics+engineering dual-degree curriculum which runs a full five years.)

(Edited to add - I may be harping too much on engineering, for a student whose stated first choice major is physics. My gut just said that a student who has newly fallen in love with physics might be on a trajectory to falling in love with engineering as well, if the opportunity were there, so I wondered whether the student also felt that a clear path to an engineering option was important, and it seems that there’s been at least some thinking in that direction.)

It’s good that she has several proven-affordable options that aren’t admissions long-shots!

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I may be an outlier here, but I’m not convinced that Pomona is out of reach. Don’t get me wrong, I still think it is a reach given its admissions rates but hear me out. I got the strong impression from D26s college counselor that Pomona is very interested in getting more lower income and first generation students on campus. In addition to that, I have a strong sense that when looking at context, a student from Tennessee with a single immigrant mom with the challenges described who works 20 hours per week to support family, and managed a 4.0 (even not in the most rigorous classes)and a 1390 SAT is not obviously out of the running to me despite their numbers being low for Pomona. Especially if she can bring her SAT up a bit when she takes it in December, which doesn’t seem impossible on its face, it seems like a profile that Pomona might stretch for if they feel confident she can handle the academics. I am not convinced it should be ruled out for this student even though it is clearly a far reach.

On the other end of the spectrum, I’d consider Whittier as a potential safety. I don’t know what the NPC looks like, but my understanding is that they can be pretty generous with merit aid, but others here might have more knowledge.

I also co-sign the Scripps statements others have made here. It is a good one to add to the list.

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@ECCA2026 , I agree with you that Pomona is not out of reach for @MamaLilKat. Reach? Yes. Out of reach? No.

Are her numbers low? Well, her 4.0 gpa is not low. It’s her academic rigor that is low, but her “lived life” rigor is high as you point out. Is her 1390 SAT low? Only if it is compared to those who submitted scores. But only a third of the freshman class submitted SAT scores and half the class didn’t submit any standardized test scores at all. And Pomona says that standardized test scores are not an important factor in admission. Pomona is test optional, so there’s no need to even submit test scores. However, 1390 is a really high SAT, top 3%. It fits well with the narrative of her 4.0 gpa in the context of single parent, first gen, and working 20 hours per week. It says that this is a very bright kid. And it validates the 4.0 gpa as legit.

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Physics is often a small major, so some smaller colleges may have a small physics department with bare minimum offerings. Some might have physics only as part of some other major (e.g. CMC).

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