It depends how much the R/B would be, honestly. Would prefer for it all to be included, though.
Run the NPCs on Hamilton and Colgate.
Not sure how far you are willing to go, but consider Kentucky given they have a full ride scholarship for OOS students.
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I would only be willing to go to school in the eastern seaboard, the State of Illinois, and Indiana (Notre Dame)
If you can get a great scholarship at a great school outside of this area, would you consider it? If notâŠwhy?
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Honestly, it comes back to my family. I was raised in the Midwest, spending much of my childhood in and around Chicago, and my roots there run deep. My mother, who has sacrificed so much as a single parent, will be living on her own once I leave for college. For that reason, staying in the eastern seaboard (in decent proximity to Jersey) or the Midwest, places where I grew up knowing people, where family friends and extended community are nearby feels very important.
Knowing that I can take a short flight or train ride home if she needs me, thats sheâs comfortable with me studying in Illinoisâthe state that raised me, brings both of us comfort. My motherâs wish is for me to study somewhere accessible.. somewhere that doesnât feel like an entire continent away.
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Everyone would prefer a full ride :). Colgate is showing $18,446 for room and board.
Interesting to me that they meet need but then say under $80k youâll pay no tuition.
Run the NPB but note they favor full pay.
Denison (two years ago CDs is avail, not last year) had 636 first year and 377 for aid. So Colgate is heavy full pay, Denison is much less so. They have merit too.
But their average grant is $49800 - so they might be using the get kids who, by the NPC, need less - but get more of them.
Might be - I donât know - Iâm hypothesizing.
As for where, a plane ride is a plane ride whether from Chicago or Kentucky or Alabama.
There are trade offs. If you want to try for free you need to accept some. If you donât itâs ok. Itâs a choice you make. Some are near airports. Others, like W&L, are not.
As for some schools you seem to not favor, like Elon, when youâre in an elite scholarship, you may have access to things others donât. My daughter went to a school that isnât academicky per se. But she was not just in Honors but in a small sub group of Honors. She had several mentors, access to guest speakers others didnât, dinner at professors homes etc.
Anyone can form close relations with profs if they try but some kids that are featured - like the Elon scholarship - have so many resources thrown at them vs a Colgate where everyone is super accomplished and youâre just one of a thousand. Something to think about.
Certain schools would be harder to get home than others.
Iâm starting to wonder if the need blind schools might be better - the Amherst/Williams - yes theyâll be harder ins but letâs say you get into Colgate but have to pay $18k etc ??
Itâs really hard to know. QB seems you can analyze less but you donât know if youâll even get consideration.
Are you still thinking to try that route ?
I understand what you are saying, but I would include it just in case. It doesnât mean you have to attend.
Also- regardless of where you go. it might not be easy to just pick up and go if your mother needs you
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So just to have it as an option?
I would. Just my opinion.
I am saying this because you need a full ride.
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Were you referencing this ? It looks like housing for two years - no food ? Not sure if OP could afford but itâd a great program. I hear such greats things about UK.
To me, Iâd find one like this one at Troy. Itâs unbelievable. At least to have on the table when it comes to decision time.
But OP is limiting things geographically - so then it wouldnât make sense. But they have a full ride - it looks perhaps automatically.
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I saw a full ride for OOS students - it must be the Troy?
Maybe - @ucbalumnus put out some - like Prarie View and Alabama A&M and I think Tuskegee. Not sure which are auto and which are competitive. Troy seems auto but you have to apply.
But OP is seeking bigger names.
That heâs ok with Rutgers and living home - as long as he has a place to end up, then I guess he can try and play with the big boys.
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Iâd love to swim with the bigger fish⊠to push myself in a place that feels ambitious, more like a big dog than a puppy. But if Rutgers is the school that truly sees me and wants me, Iâd choose it with respect and pride.
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Thatâs awesome - but just so you know there are both slackers and motivated students at all schools. Or you can go to a school with Honors and have that next level for less. My daughter had a friend at Charleston that - I look at what he did in school and will do - and Iâm like wow. Of course, he turned down Penn, Vandy, and Rice to go to Charleston and be a Fellow.
I like your attitude - I just wish you were more open to programs that give you better odds.
Looking forward to what you decide with QB - to go through with it or not.
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How are there people at Ivys and T20s that are slackers? Wonder how they got in lol
Lots of grade inflationâŠcombined with TO.
Then you have kids like my daughterâs BF - whip smart - breezed through HS and CollegeâŠnot a lot of studying and often missing class, etc. And finished a year early.
You have lots at high level that bomb. Then you have others at âregularâ schools that crush it.
You have similar type students at most every public - as you do at top 20.
And of course, you have some that struggle away from mom. And others that excel, because theyâre away from mom.
College, not in all but many cases, is much harder - and might require creativity, thought, and lots of writing (major dependent).
Itâs a different environment - but when you see all the grading out there - back in my day, I was in the top 40% with a 2.8. Today, it seems many schools, that person is a 3.8.
I personally think we have lots of grade inflation today.
Thatâs why thereâs many 4.0s with 1100s, 1200s, 1300s, etc. Or 4.0s with 2s on APs, etc.
Think about schools like Vassar - i find it curious that barely 4 in 10 submit a test. 33% at Skidmore (on your list). 44% at W&L. Bates at 18%.
Yet UF, UGA, etc - sometimes as good as GPA profiles or close - 100%.
Others disagree with me - but itâs how I see it.
Perhaps thatâs how - the great equalizer - isnât be used. Even the top of the top schools, like Amherst, 61%.
Could be a number of reasons, including being burnt out after 4 years of intense high school to get in, being on their own without parents breathing down their necks to get work done and/or deciding their new-found freedom is better spent on things other than studying, deciding that just passing is enough for them, etc. Some might also be seen as slackers but just having trouble adjusting to the workload and schedule or finding the lack of support they had at high school problematic.
Remember everything adjusts at college - they may have been top or top couple of percent at their high school, but obviously only a handful will retain that status in a new class and most of them are going to end up being middle of the road. Add to that STEM classes that grade on a curveâŠ
But for people that are lazy like that, how did they get into these T20s schools?
Their high schools may have been easy for them and they got good grades without necessarily having to work hard. If they are also good test takers, then thatâs an added bonus.
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I just told you - inherent smarts - passing classes without studying and in many cases grade inflation. Perhaps parents who hunkered down on them.
You have this fascination with top 20 - like kids are better who go or at some superhuman level and others arenât.
Some of course - did work hard who got into top 20 and more. Theyâre brilliant, accomplished and go to - well every other college by choice.
My daughterâs bf is a coaster. But owned a business in hs mowing loans. Turned down Vandy for U Denver. Why ? Parents limited his budget - and he got done in 3 years - would have been four at Vandy which also didnât have his major. Of course, they did hs during covid and he home schooled when they went back.
Kids are different. And how they adapt when on their own, no one to push them or do their laundry - they all adapt differently.
He skiied - usually at least 3 days a week during college - during the week. 90 mins to A Basin daily. Sometimes Vail. He lived the life.
Heâs just one of those kids who just crushes it at school. Rarely stresses. Makes it look easy.
Did you see the % submitting tests I showed you. Some top LACs donât have a huge portion of test submitters. Some of those top LAC kids wouldnât get into strong, but not top publics ( that require tests).
btw - some schools - in reality, also may target first gen and / or low income or rural students, etc - historically that may have been who got aid in many cases - and those kids may or may not have as good as stats (i.e. they could have been TO). Of course, recent Supreme Court rulings have made that âharderâ to do. But some top schools have a very high - non/wealthy and white ratio - and many are wealthy and somewhat white (like Colgate).