This sounds like second or even third hand info. We know more than a handful of younger folks as well as older, and none have had these issues.
Perhaps the job just wasn’t a good fit. That can happen at any job.
I would hate for readers here to think this is the culture in the industry when…it is not.
It’s not second or third hand.
It’s one kid - and yes you cannot make any “worldly” assumptions on one kid - I agree.
It’s just what his mom has told me.
I don’t have anything else.
We’ve read stories before of kids at the IBs pushing back - but that’s more hours (like 7 days) or like @Lindagaf just put in a post the 2A grub hub run.
She didn’t mention anything like that - just first day - you are told not to fraternize or befriend people from work and conversing is discouraged was I think the world she used.
Doesn’t sound fun - that’s for sure - but she’s the mom of one kid who has stated this as I noted.
“What’s primary is simply what school delivers the academics and atmosphere the student wants…”
Exactly. That is why safeties are important.
What about SUNY Albany as a safety? The location is ideal for internships in government agencies, and there are opportunities for policy internships in DC and NYC. My guess is she could make honors, and the honors college looks impressive. 30 students are accepted each year.
Applying does not mean she has to attend. It’s an insurance policy in the event that her reaches do not work out.
Jeff Selingo has dedicated his career to higher education related journalism, with a focus on admissions and everything surrounding admissions. Go to 3:45 in this video and hear what he has to say:
He has an opinion as well. I know him and his stuff.
Certain people are advantaged in society. And he says the same with colleges.
The T14 colleges have limited seats as well (as he notes) - and yet they are letting in kids from hundreds of schools.
Different discussion - undergrad to law.
Again, I’m a data guy or a logic guy.
The info posted isn’t lying - just like colleges, when they are going off TO as many are - they clearly are letting in kids that didn’t belong and this is why they are reverting from TO - whether MIT or the publics that have done so and will continue.
People can create any story and they do - but the info posted and/or actions taken - don’t lie in my simple mind.
But we’re getting off track OP - and their chance me - which I answered in post 9 and should have stopped then - although I appreciate him being open to other thoughts like Delaware and Syracuse and his overall engagement with the group here.
Selingo has made this his career for decades. He has sat in for extended periods of time with the admissions offices of multiple top tier schools. I would expect a logic guy to value expertise. Selingo isn’t just another random internet person with another random internet opinion.
I noted what he said - but he’s talking about undergrad and limited seats and etc. etc.
We are talking about the top law schools that are showing you they are admitting kids from hundreds and hundreds of schools - and they also have limited seats.
It’s a different discussion.
I’ve listened to that clip many times.
Thanks
Actually, we were talking about whether your undergraduate institution can help you get into a top law school. What he said is very relevant to that discussion.
You even said…
Are you sure that a higher level college can provide you contacts/jobs that others can’t?
…and his unequivocal answer to the question you put forward is “yes.”
I agree. There are far too many off-topic posts. Please take discussions of IB, law school, unrelated anecdotes, etc. to PM or another thread. Thanks for your understanding.
Agreed. I’m not surprised to see schools move away from TO, I had predicted the issues. I don’t think law schools will go test optional with the current change in thinking. But they were seriously considering it.
If the safety school provides her a better atmosphere and academics than the more selective schools, then she would solely apply to the safety schools.
It’s not about getting into the most selective school possible. My wife, my daughters mothers, teaches at a very selective school which would greatly increase my daughters chance for admission. But she doesn’t like the school’s atmosphere.
My son is very happy at GW. He could have gotten into much more selective schools, but he chose the school that was right for him.
That can or may exist - but I don’t think her mind (and not just hers…many students) are open to that possibility that they do exist. My kid is at one - we honestly didn’t know going in til we saw the enrichment.
But they are out there - and that’s where maybe you look at the Gettysburg or Hobart or Dickinson or Juniata types to see.
This is kind of not true.
I understand. Your daughter has a list of reach schools that she likes, as well as targets ? that I think she likes (?). Hopefully she is accepted.
She feels “eh” about her safety/likely schools, which is not uncommon. I am suggesting a safety that seems pretty good, in the event that the more desirable schools do not pan out. She doesn’t have to attend. Pitt and Syracuse were also suggested…as well as Delaware.
I would do some research on the safeties, that’s all.
If the OP has not updated this request (I haven’t read every post), please keep this in mind. I’m sure the OP appreciates the suggestions, but they seem to have been more than covered by multiple posters. Thanks.
Yes, according to her counselor, many of the schools she likes are matches or likelies.
She has several safeties that fall into either “fine” or “I’ll research them next April after I get decisions back”
She has enough likely schools on her list that her counselors are very confident in admission offers.
If I recall correctly, the OP asked for chances regarding reach schools.
The reach schools… are reach schools. There will be superior, very impressive students also applying to these schools. Nobody can tell whether this student will be accepted.
Taking off my mod hat for a quick comment…
Yes, reaches are unpredictable and difficult to chance. I do think there is a distinction between a reasonable reach and an “impossible don’t waste the application fee” reach. IMO the list of reaches is reasonable for this student, even though chances are slim as they are for everyone. Raising the SAT would possibly help a bit.
Agree! It seems the list has been made and now it’s time to cut a few. I think there are 29?