Chance my son for a Business Major applying to Top 25 Schools

For my Son:

Demographics: Asian Indian
US Citizen
California
Public HS
Male
No Special Factors

Major: Business

Academics
Unweighted HS GPA: 3.7
Weighted HS GPA: 4.0/5.0 (UC:4.15/5.0)
SAT Scores: No Score Yet, Expect 1370

Course Work:
6 APs (Micro,Macro, Stats, Calculus,Sociology,Econ)

EC: DECA, 40+ Hours at Food Bank, Work experience at Mcdonalds

Essay: Moderate to Strong

Cost Constraints: None

Schools:
Reach: UIUC-Gies, UC-Irvine, Indiana-Kelley,Villanova, Wisconsin
Target: Binghamton, Penn State, UMass-Isenberg,Pittsburg
Safety: Santa Clara, University of San Deigo, RIT, South Carolina, Arizona State

Is it worth the effort to apply to Fordham and Miami?
Reverse Chance me if i am missing other target schools.

Your list looks very reasonable to me.

FWIW my S went to Fordham (Gabelli) and had a great expereince – I’d consider having your S apply Early Action.

Thanks. If you do not mind, how is the job placement at Fordham-Gabelli?

What major in business ? Different schools have different specialties

He is Interested in Finance/Management Information Systems.

Why I asked. Different schools have different strengths. ASU is fine but U of A is better, especially in MIS.

Your list seems like you are shooting for ranking. It’s a business degree. If he’s going to be a corporate guy you should find the right school, nkt what you think have them best names.

I think most your reaches aren’t. IU is easy to get into even if you don’t get KELLY.

Binghamton, UMASS. why ? Why not a Cal State school. He’d likely be miserable at SUNY B which is going to be mostly business students. When he graduates no one will care of you went to UCR, San Diego State or SUNY B and while it’s a great school no one outside of NY has heard of SUNY B. A school like Bentley would be a better choice.

The list is fine. But it’s scattered and doesn’t make sense.

It seems like you are chasing names. You lost some great schools but they just don’t flow with one another. I would revise the list personally but it’s fine

What are your hot buttons. Size. Location social environment. Money. Etc

Thanks. Agree with your assessment. This is mainly based of rankings. Not sure how else to refine it. Any help is appreciated.

My Son says he cares more about job placement stats than the actual school or location. The list was made with the assumption that job placement is weighted heavily into the rankings.
U of A needs 3.8 GPA for direct admission to Eller and he wanted to exclude it from the list.

There’s all sorts of websites that show job placement stats. This is one and it’s no bible. I would not be choosing schools like you are.

Fit, which includes budget, matters most. What type of environment does he want. Does he want urban, rural. Big football, no football. Are you willing to spend $320k or what’s your budget? You say no cost constraints but do you mean that ?

So much placement today is done over the internet. His success will be about him, not the school. The school can help but he has to make the connections, the effort.

Is he open to a focus school like abandon or Bentley ? Where does he want to end up geographically ?

He has to spend 4 years day after day. A school like SUNY B will be all locals. They’ll go home on random weekends. On holidays etc.

Let’s get you a list that works with his interests and budget. If he only wants direct admit that’s another thing to consider.

His #s are solid but not mind boggling and there’s a zillion great colleges out there.

Sorry meant to attach a couple links. Unless you’re at the best of the best and none you listed are, go to the right school, especially given his major interests as great schools abound. It doesn’t have to be a huge name.

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Look at it this way. His grades are not good enough for schools that feed into Wall Street, like Wharton. So consider the cost. A private school could cost you 80K/yr. An OOS public school, 55-60K/yr, plus of course travel costs. Public California school, living on campus? 32K/yr. The overall outcome is likely to be the same, except possibly for Fordham, because of its proximity to Wall Street, with the possibility of an internship, although for summer internships he’s competing against students from more prestigious schools.

So imagine that you put the difference into an investment for him, instead of paying the higher cost school. He winds up graduating with anywhere from 100-250K having been put into that investment for him.

In your son’s case, I’d say go to the best California state program that he can get into.

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What are his AP scores?

If OP’s S scores 1370 or higher on the SAT, they are a direct admit into IU Kelley, so that’s a safety (min weighted GPA is 3.8 for direct admit). Kelley absolutely feeds into Wall Street, including IB jobs, so if affordable, that would be tough to pass up.

If OP’s S doesn’t achieve 1370, they can apply TO and petition for direct admit to Kelley, and it’s a good chance that would be granted.

I would apply to Fordham. If being in NYC is important also apply to Pace and Baruch, both place in banking, though not necessarily strong in IB. Consider Marist as well, which is a couple of hours outside NYC, but has very good placement in banking/finance, especially at Morgan Stanley.

My S was an accounting major and the recruiting was good - I can’t speak first hand about other majors.

Thanks very much for your feedback. About Cal States i am not sure how to go about researching all the 23 schools for business. Since we are physically close to san jose state and cal poly,slo we do plan to apply there.

You can check the career centers for both Cal Poly SLO and San Jose state to see which employers recruit from both schools along with these links:

https://www.sjsu.edu/careercenter/about/career-success-outcomes/initial-career-success.php

Using rankings is a recipe for failure. Fit is important. School size, location, etc. do matter.

If your son likes Miami or Fordham he should apply. He would be a competitive candidate for business.

You have Pitt and Penn State on your list. Very different business programs. Pitt is direct admit and only enrolls about 300 each year. Penn State is competitive admit and probably has 6,000 undergrads in Smeal. Pitt business has its own honors program.

You have a lot of good schools in Cali plus tons of internships. Not sure it’s worth it to go OOS unless it’s a fantastic fit. Kelley might be worth a look but it’s also a big business program.

I am a bit surprised by some of the responses on this thread which assert that rankings do not matter with respect to business schools. I disagree. Rankings are very important with respect to career opportunities, internships, and placements in general.

Try WSO website.

With respect to MBA programs, rankings are critically important for those seeking the most sought after career opportunities. This is also true for undergraduate business schools.

Any disagreement should focus on how many & which specific business schools can help you achieve your career opportunity goals, not on whether or not rankings matter. In the world of business schools, rankings do matter for those seeking the most competitive career opportunities.

P.S. Many assert that one should not attend any MBA program outside of the M-7 (Harvard, Stanford, Penn-Wharton, Northwestern-Kellogg, Chicago-Booth, MIT-Sloan, & Columbia Business School). While I recognize the merit of this position in the not-too-distant past, the need for technical competence has expanded the number of MBA programs which offer outstanding career opportunities. For example, Amazon–the single largest employer of newly minted MBAs–now recruits at about 20 different MBA schools.

Maybe a better way to state my position is that “fit” is important especially with respect to affordability & to career objectives. If one has career aspirations of competing for the most sought after positions, then rank of school is an important part of “fit” for that student. If a student has national aspirations as opposed to an interest in regional based employment,then ranking is an important component of fit for that student.

You’re conflating the importance of ranking for MBA programs and undergrad programs. Ranking doesn’t matter nearly as much for undergrad. (Note that I didn’t say at all).

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I appreciate your point and tried to make a somewhat similar assertion in my post.

Rankings are important for those targeting the most sought after job opportunities both at the college level as well as at the MBA level. Because rankings are ultra-important at the MBA level does not mean that rankings are not important at the undergraduate level.

In the context of this thread, my point is that undergraduate rankings are important for those seeking the most sought after career opportunities. Sorry for any confusion caused by my use of MBA programs to illustrate that point.

P.S. There are several other factors that may affect one’s opportunities from undergraduate business schools. Other factors might be membership in an elite honors college or honors program as well as URM status. Location is another key factor (examples are Santa Clara University–Silicon Valley & the University of Washington-Seattle for Amazon & Microsoft).

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OP is talking undergrad business, not MBA. I would agree that MBA rankings matter. The OP is also looking at undergrad business schools outside the T10. Wharton, NYU, or Ross aren’t on his list. Once you get outside the T10 then rankings matter less if at all. Are the outcomes at #21 on the list any better or worse than #50? Probably not much. Grades and internships will matter most.

I would be looking at schools with direct admission. Is class size important? If so, you could take schools like Penn State Smeal an IU Kelley of the list. Is location important? Don’t like cold weather then take Bing or UMass off the list. OP needs to start looking at fit, not rankings.

S20 applied to business schools. Pitt, PSU, Fordham and Miami were on his list and some other good schools. Temple made him a great offer. Basically the cost was room & board. He got into their school honors program and Fox business honors. I really liked the program structure and they really look out for their honors students with internships and jobs. I had no hesitation sending him to a lower rated school given the situation. Assuming he did his part I assumed that the outcome would be similar to other schools. Wasn’t crazy about Philly so he went to Georgia Tech.

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With undergrad and even grad major matters. At ASU for supply chain, there are multiple companies for each student. That’s how much demand there is for the major. U imagine Michigan State and Tennessee are similar.

A ranking in and of itself for the overall won’t measure success.

The student mentions MIS and should look at Arizona, MN, and Georgia State in addition to IU and UMD….if rank matters. It helps but is it mandatory in that field…no.

My company is a global in Atlanta and has Columbus State, Clayton State, kennesaw State, west Georgia, etc

I think a lot of this rank stuff is of little importance, short of elite roles that few are getting.

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