Chicago vs. Cornell vs. NYU

<p>My top three choices right now are Chicago (Economics), Cornell (AEM), and NYU (Finance). Michigan (pre-admit Ross), Northwestern (Industrial Engineering and Management Sciences), and CMU (Finance) are also in the mix. </p>

<p>I have a few questions.
1.) Which school will offer the best IB opportunities, internship and job wise?
2.) Can I branch out into different careers if I lose interest in IB? Out of all my schools, Chicago seems to be overwhelming the most well rounded.
3.) How is the work load? I don't want to kill myself with work (I'm resisting the urge to make a tasteless Cornell joke) and want to have a social life.
4.) Best girls? Kidding.. but not really
P.S. Tuition and prestige are not issues. My parents are paying for it all. And I gave up on prestige after Wharton took a dump on me.</p>

<p>Thank you!</p>

<p>I have friends at all of your choices except CMU (although my NU friends are not finance), so this is the conception I have: </p>

<p>Banking (opportunities/internships):
Cornell > Stern >= NU = UChi > Michigan = CMU </p>

<p>There will probably be some debate here (especially regarding Cornell over Stern and NU), but based on the conversations I've had Cornell has just had much stronger placement on WS in the past two years. I've actually heard of a lot of NU kids landing stuff this year, but I would certainly not say Stern is on that level (heard a lot of horror stories out of Stern this year). </p>

<p>If you're in AEM at Cornell and Stern at NYU, you're pretty set into business/finance. A degree from NU or UChi would definitely give you a much better chance. </p>

<p>Work load: Stern and AEM will be a breeze; AEM is mostly filled with legacies and recruited athletes. UChi and NU will especially be toughter. </p>

<p>Social life: UChi: "Where fun goes to die."
If you're looking for a social life ON campus, Cornell and NU easily top this list.
If you're looking for social life in the city, NYU will be unmatched.</p>

<p>Personally I got into all the top schools you did (didnt apply to CMU or Ross) and the only schools that would up in my group of serious considerations were Cornell and NU-- take it for what it's worth.</p>

<p>For banking, Cornell = Stern = NU > UChciago = UMich > CMU</p>

<p>Banking, Stern = Uchicago > Cornell > UMich > CMU</p>

<p>Do you want a liberal arts education, with a (modified) core curriculum?
U chicago is the only choice for you then.</p>

<p>Or do you prefer an undergraduate business curriculum?
Then U Chicago is eliminated.</p>

<p>Would you rather be a college student in NYC? Or in a college town with a campus- centered college experience?</p>

<p>Stern ftw. 10 char</p>

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Banking, Stern = Uchicago > Cornell > UMich > CMU

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<p>No, this is false. </p>

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Stern ftw. 10 char

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<p>NYU '14= biased for Stern + never had a finance internship + probably never been in a finance interview + knowledge of finance probably only stems from reading posts on this board. </p>

<p>For your information, based on this year's recruitment I wouldn't come close to taking Stern over NU, and you could definitely make a case for UChi = Stern as well. </p>

<p>Hmmmmmmmm.</p>

<p>stern is being way overrated here. from what i've seen through two banking internships its more like:
cornell>nu=uofc>stern=ross>cmu</p>

<p>stern is decent in terms of absolute numbers going to banks, but the classes are huge relative to the other business programs in question (ross and tepper) and everybody wants finance there, so competition is crazy.</p>

<p>I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but 3&4 can easily be answered by the students of UoC themselves:</p>

<p>3) University of Chicago: Where Fun Goes to Die
4) University of Chicago: Where the Squirrels are Cuter than the Girls
University of Chicago: Where the Only Thing That Goes Down on You is Your GPA</p>

<p>roneald- haha come down, you realize the investment banking forum on CC is probably one of the least visited, and least seriously taken...but yeah everyone is biased if you want to argue that route.</p>

<p>Cornell. :D</p>

<p>For people who have experience and knowledge in theindustry, how good is UT?</p>

<p>roneald, I have not posted in quite some time, but your post brought me to do it. This is going to be dismissed entirely, most likely, due to the fact that I attend Stern and people are going to count this as being biased, but let me address a few issues brought up.</p>

<p>I would go....
Stern and Cornell are probably neck and neck. Stern has a higher placement rate and post grad income, but Cornell vs NYU is no contest. Cornell is superior in the sense that if you do decide to do something outside of the business world, and AEM/ Stern no longer have any relevance, then the Cornell name looks more impressive than the NYU name.</p>

<p>then UChicago and Michigan are neck in neck, with Northwestern slightly falling behind. CMU tails.</p>

<p>I will agree with you that Stern employment upon graduation might have gone down somewhat, that is because many, many of the students go for top jobs at top banks only. They are in constant competition with students from MIT, Wharton, Princeton, and Harvard for the same positions (some positions that people from Cornell/Northwestern/other top 20's wouldn't dare interview for ). I have had interviews for internships, both in NYC and in Los Angeles, with students predominantly from top 10 universities. With this jobless recovery, the options have become much more scarce, and some Sternies (foolishly, IMO) refuse to compromise. When the jobs start coming back, we will once again be dominating the job markets, even at the hyperelite level. </p>

<p>On to another point, in relation to class size. I have had the stereotypical 100-200 person lecture (the all stern class, Business and It's Publics, brings in prominent speakers and ALL STERN FRESHMAN [500+] has the class at the same time, for logistical purposes, naturally. Only meets once a week though). I have also, within Stern and NYU in general, had amazing classes with a class size of 10 [and sometimes 2 or even 3 instructors for these tiny classes]. Yes, we are a large university, but we also have an extremely large faculty at our disposal.</p>

<p>In regards to difficulty, in my mind, UChicago is probably much more difficult than Stern. I won't even attempt to argue that one. But so say that Stern is a breeze is foolish, arrogant, and one of THE most misinformed, idiotic statements on this thread. Stern allows you to make it as hard as you want to make it, in the sense that you can take the classes that barely meet the requirements, but most of us do not. The classes are work heavy, challenging in a mechanic and analytical sense, and in the end rewarding. My Calculus II class was ridiculous, and the transfers that took the class all attested to it being much more difficult than at their previous university [even those who took BC in high school struggled with this course]. The Stern specific courses are also extremely challenging, as courses such as our introductory Microeconomics covers things that are usually reserved for courses at the intermediate level and beyond [ie know your multivariable calculus!], keeping in mind that there is a curve in Stern classes so there is massive grade deflation. We are expected to think at an extremely deep, metaphysical and analytic level for mandatory writing and philosophy courses (which NYU is infamous for), and that is juxtaposed with being expected to to magic with spreadsheets and statistical software. This is all being balanced with looking for internships, work study, social life, school involvement, learning to be independent, and exploring New York City in general. We have no safety net, we are in a big. dangerous city, it is EXTREMELY easy to slip up and get into bad habits, here especially. In the end, though, you grow up, become independent, and earn a fine degree. Employers know that we are juggling more than just going to school, and they certainly take that into consideration when they see NYU Stern on your resume.</p>

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They are in constant competition with students from MIT, Wharton, Princeton, and Harvard for the same positions (some positions that people from Cornell/Northwestern/other top 20's wouldn't dare interview for ).

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<p>Kids at "Cornell/Northwestern/other top 20's" wouldn't dare interview for "top jobs at top banks"? That's a funny claim. I wonder why so many of these students are ending up at BB's and top-tier boutiques then...</p>

<p>And I wonder how Northwestern sent handfuls to GS and MS too...</p>

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I have had interviews for internships, both in NYC and in Los Angeles, with students predominantly from top 10 universities.

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<p>You must feel quite special.</p>

<p>stern happens to get good recruiting because of it's location, but down the road, a degree from chicago or cornell will look much better.</p>

<p>True, however, down the road people care more about your work experience than your undergrad degree. So if you worked at Stern and then a major bank, the focus will be on you working at the bank. Not really a bad thing.</p>

<p>Not to hijack this thread, but could someone answer Elasticity's question about how good UT does in placement OUTSIDE the Texas region, as in Wall Street?</p>

<p>anorexic_abe-</p>

<p>Learn some humility homeboy. If your calc 2 class was "ridiculous" it just means you're not that smart. Learning how to construct a basic DCF model on excel is not "magic," nor is running a basic regression. Also, employers do not give you extra credit for not slipping up and becoming a cocaine addicted hipster just because you live in NY. You are not entitled to special treatment from the rest of the world. </p>

<p>I had a similar attitude at 18 and learned that i wasn't special upon entering the real world. You will learn the same lesson, trust.</p>

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<p>Haha good one. I'm surely going to dare interview for those jobs, while attending the lowly Cornell AEM program. It's alright that you feel the need to inflate your ego online. Whatever helps you sleep at night....</p>