Choate vs. Deerfield

Thank you for taking the time to read this. I have never posted here before, so I am not sure if I am doing this correctly. I recently got into Choate and Deerfield and am having a bit of a tough time choosing. I have had many questions answered, but I have a few that still remain. It would be wonderful to hear from parents or students from both schools about their opinions on the school, and if possible - a few of these questions

  1. How much homework per day?
  2. What do you think is one “Strength” of your school. Of course there isn’t just a singular one.
  3. Support from teachers and advisors.
  4. What is the Community like.
  5. Stress experience for students

And anything you would like to add would be great as well!

Thank you so much, this will help so much!

As an aside, 100th Anniversary of the the Annual Choate vs Deerfield football game takes place this Fall in Wallingford

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I attend Deerfield so these answers are from the DA lens.

How much homework per day? That depends entirely on what kinds of courses you take and what you are trying to accomplish in terms of course rigor. If you are determined to attend an IVY/ELITE/TOP LAC, then you might take more advanced level courses. Neither school has APs/IBs but they both have many advanced college equivalent course that will challenge you. If you learn how to adapt to a very structured environment and manage your time well, you will be able to complete your academics, co-curriculars (like sports/clubs) and still have time to have a social life at either choice. I don’t think either school has more or less homework.

Take a look at the course catalogs. Course Catalog – Deerfield Academy
https://resources.finalsite.net/images/v1620055646/choate/juktw9gs6nm17gs85xtr/choate-course-catalogue-21-22-updated-2021-04-20.pdf

*What do you think is one “Strength” of your school. Of course there isn’t just a singular one.*

Deerfield’s sense of community is strong one. This is evidenced by almost all 650 students being FT boarders vs. Choate which has 667 FT, and 202 Day Students. When you live with the same peers day in and day out, the bonds are stronger. All of us have to attend sit down lunches/dinners weekly where we rotate tables of 12 (students/2 teachers) every 2-3 weeks so we get to know the entire school. 2 of us must either be 1st or 2nd waiters regardless of whether you are an upper or lower and we eat and chat with 9th-PGs students. Our school spirit is incredibly strong and unrivaled. During rallies and school meetings, dance performances, orchestra concerts, students cheer one another on like hecklers. During the winter we build an outdoor ice rink for the entire school to use and in fair weather have beach sand volleyball courts right in the middle of the quad. The weekly “feeds” in the dorms are teacher led and can be anything from brownies, pizza, etc, another way to foster community. During all breaks and long weekends, many Deerfield students opt to attend learning field trips to Puerto Rico, the Deep South, and other destinations rather than going home. Deerfield’s dress code for boys are little more conservative than for girls. The majority of Deerfield cohorts thinks Big Green is the best school ever and never want to leave.
Support from teachers and advisors
My teachers and advisors are the best human beings I’ve ever encountered besides my close DA friends. All of them are extremely educated and many have worked in academia teaching college students. Even my college counselor is a Harvard Law school graduate. I’m deeply impressed with the depth and breadth of DA teachers/admin. The key to having a great relationship with the adults at DA is to treat them with respect and value their time. They expect you to be your best version of yourself so if they know you are working very hard both in and out of class you will be recognized. If you miss class, skip class, don’t turn your work in on time or have little or nothing to contribute in class, this will not serve you well. DA uses mostly socratic Harkness student led learning style so you have come to class prepared to advance the coursework. Some classes are Oxford Tutorial style as well. If you are used to getting top marks, you will need an adjustment period because DA has the most rigorous grading system of any boarding school in America. Compared to Choate, DA suffers from grade deflation. Only 7% have GPAs of 93-95 out of 100. While at Choate, 14% have GPAs above 93 and they all the way up to 100+ because it’s based on a 4.30 scale. If your GPA is 90.50-91.75 you are in the 3rd Quintile (40%-60% percentile) and that bums out people until they realize that all top colleges are aware of tough grading. DA competes head to head with every other top boarding school in terms of IVY matriculation at 22% of those that apply. Choate/Exeter/Lawrenceville are 20%, Andover 21%, Hotchkiss 22%, St.Pauls 23%. Matriculation to Elites/Top LACs are all over the place. Whereas Choate/Exeter/Andover place a lot of students at UChicago, DA’s target schools seem to be UVA, Georgetown, Middlebury, Williams.

*Stress experience for students*

Stress experience is a relative thing and different for each person. The big difference between stress levels at boarding schools is that everyone is high achieving to begin with so everyone is focused on similar goals and wants to power through class, homework, sports and co-curriculars. In public school, perhaps only 10% are grinding every day and night. So if you understand the practical necessity of teamwork, collaborating, helping your dorm mates and lowers that ask for help, you will not be thinking so much about your own stress because everyone is on the same team. What I do like about DA is there is a new health center with a highly qualified team of physical and mental health professionals that are there for you 100% if you need someone to talk to or something more organized like a weekly session. If you have a complete melt down you can check yourself in and they will nurse you back up to “full recharge” as well. I’ve know some peers that needed the full service treatment and it worked wonders.

Honesty, picking from DA or Choate or any other top Boarding school is splitting hairs. It’s like the difference of going to Yale, Harvard, Columbia or Brown. All these schools are excellent. You are going to make the best friends for life and have great teachers want to support your school once you are finished.

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Deerfield’s course catalog lists a collection of AP classes. In those descriptions, it says “students are required to take the AP exam in May” (i only checked a couple, not all).

Are you saying that its different in practice than what is written in the catalog?

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Of DA’s 663 students, 79 are day (per DA’s website.) So CRH has a larger boarding community. OP, I seriously doubt this makes a difference. The strength of a boarding community tends to have more to do with culture, whether students tend to leave for the weekend, what happens on campus on weekends, etc.

Not having an affiliation with either school, and agreeing that you can’t make a bad choice, I would say that while both have been around for a long time and have history and traditions, DA has a more “traditional” feel. For some, this is a positive while for others, it is not.

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Yes Deerfield does require AP exams in some classes. My kiddo is taking a physics class that is not officially called an AP class and is taking the exam. Many schools give extra GPA weight for AP or honors courses. Deerfield does not.

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Great summary. +100 to splitting hairs.

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And once you choose, you’ll be completely convinced that you picked the right one for you.

Plus you’ll get to celebrate with your classmates every year on Choate Day/Deerfield Day and congratulate yourself on such a good decision. That rivalry is a fun tradition.

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@Teahupo - It depends on whose calendar you’re looking at! it already happened last November at Deerfield! :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: Yes, Deerfield won!

Along the Connecticut River
there were 2 prep schools of lore.
One whose mascot is a toothy boar
One whose symbol is a historic door.

Deerfield’s school spirit
Is known far and near
On Choate Day is the only time
A Choatie will cheer.

One is more “emo”
The other more preppy
One is less happy
The other more peppy

They are rivals you see
No matter the season
We HATE each other
There is always a reason

ChoatieMom likes gin
For her martini at night
While I prefer Vodka
Either one is all right

If schools had a garnish
For their martini glass
Deerfield would be olives
Choate would be grass

WOW - Stop! I interrupt this poem for a public service announcement to correct @cambamarooney and others….

Yes, Deerfield does have AP Courses. GolfKiddo took several (AP Chem, APUSH, APBIO, and a couple of others that were lost during COVID but might be back…so check on this! Also, several college level courses in Humanities and Bio.

  1. How much homework per day? It depends on your class year and the courses you take. Most kids report @ 3 to 4 hours per night, but grind on the weekends (especially Sunday). Junior year and Senior Fall had the most homework hours clocked by students we know. Freshman year can be tricky because if you place into a higher level class in Math, Science or Language (eg you took advanced classes before, or you’re a repeat, or a foreign student whose did Calc in 7th grade, etc). No matter the school, if you take a higher level course - you will have more homework…except for a couple (ask me after May 29). Choate gives higher grades and has some classes that are weighted. Deerfield has this obsessions with “Mr 89” in Humanities. Also, you can get 97-99 on all your tests in foreign language but the teacher (call me) will rob you with a 91 for the final grade if you don’t talk enough in class. Has happened every year….oh, and you can’t argue.

  2. What is the “Strength” of your school? School spirit, academic rigor, opportunities for funded research/travel, summer travel and community or global service, overall facilities, friendly student body (everyone is good looking), athletics, students get a single after Freshman year, NO SATURDAY classes, dining or ordering out at the Deerfield Inn, bonfires, pop up dances, hiking, and the outdoors.

  3. Support from teachers and advisors. If you read some of my older posts, you will get more info :roll_eyes: It really depends - and this goes for most schools. It depends on who you get for your advisor. My kiddo got sauced with the first year advisor, but we switched before second year and its been great. I think this is where Deerfield is weak - not enough support from teachers. What is their problem? They don’t have a commute to worry about. Most of them live on campus in pretty sweet digs, but they still are skimpy or no-shows for office hours? Again, this grading system is really tough - you can go to an earlier post and read all about it. My advice is this: During Revisit, ask Ivory Hills or the Heads of English/History about the 89 Mean. Also, ask about this when you attend the college advising magic show. “How does the grade compression (89-91) impact college acceptances from DA and/or scholarships?” So, I would say that Choate wins on this category.

  • Go to the School Profile of both schools. Check out the grading tab. There is an earlier post on this somewhere in the Prep School archives.
  1. What is the Community Like? Aside from what I alluded to in the poem, I can’t comment further about Choate. At Deerfield, there is a strong sense of community that is sustained by traditions. The students have a lot of school spirit. Most students at Deerfield are “triple threats” - they are academically very strong, do one or two sports well, and do some type of performing art/visual art. The music and dance programs are amazing - and deserving of much more visibility than they receive.
  • A big factor fueling the strong community feel stems from the “sit down meals” that occur several times per week (more often during Fall & Spring terms). The students get the chance to meet peers from different grades and this also curbs the “clique” culture in the dining hall. Yes, there are cliques…but at least you won’t be excluded at every meal like we have seen at other schools.

  • Dress code - Deerfield students have a dress code that got amped up a few years ago because some rigid Greenwich dad got bothered :confused: by seeing girls in mini-skirts and thigh-high boots (that’s what I heard during the year it happened. Since then both girls and boys are equally annoyed by having to wear a collared jacket to class during the Fall and Spring Term (also FORMAL sit downs). It’s not a big deal and people get creative. There is one teacher who loves to DC people, so if you go to Deerfield - I will describe her.

  • This is a huge generality, but….it has been our observations that Deerfield is more conservative than Choate. There are strong community and/or culture affiliated associations, however. On the other hand, I believe people are respectful and want to hear diverse opinions.
    In January, Choate welcomed Angela Davis to campus and was the keynote speaker with an all-school turnout. Deerfield did host a lecture with Bill Ayers (if you don’t know either of these people, you need APUSH) a few years ago, but relatively few people showed up.

  1. Stress - Deerfield is more stressful than people realize - but in different ways than you might think. Deerfield is more academically rigorous than they market themselves to be. So, I think some students are just shocked when they arrive. Deerfield is competitive in it’s own way - competition about things you might not even realize (clubs, leadership positions, grades, Harkness hogging, social status, etc). Each school has this and it’s unique to their school culture. Hey - it’s still high school.

If you go to Revisit, stay after the “dog & pony” show to check out what the students are really doing, talking about, and how they are socializing. We did this and that is how our Kiddo’s decision was made.

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If your kiddo is a 9th grade boy, plays a brass instrument and a non-recruitable sport and needs FA. Choose Choate to open a spot at DA for my son :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Oh…forgot to add…that it has been our observations that the students at Deerfield are better looking and dress better :money_mouth_face:

And go on AMAZING vacations for every school break, as is evidenced by post break Instagram pictures. Except for my kiddo who comes home and sleeps away the whole break while her dad and I work and brother is at school (their breaks never happen at the same time).

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That seems fun!

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Thank you so much!

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Regarding APs,
I went through the entire Deerfield Course catalog and I do see a few AP listings but nothing like you would find a large public school that might have 22-36 AP courses.
At DA there are only the following: AP Calc, AP Stats, AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics I,II,C.
At Choate: There is Calc AB, Calc BC but they do not call them AP courses.

No AP English(s), No AP Histories, No AP Languages, No AP Art, No AP Music, No AP Micro/Macro/CS/or AP seminar. It’s clear to me that APs are not a big priority at either school.
Students can self-study for as many APs as they want of course but in general the course rigor at both schools is sufficiently difficult to support that advanced topic learning.

Boars knock down doors :wink:

Just kidding…

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Sorry @CavsFan2003 but the boars have not had a good showing during the past couple of years…I am relieved that Choate Day was able to resume this year and that the tradition was able to be sustained.

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Thats wonderful!

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Thank you so much! Your perspective has helped so much!

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Thank you so much for the reply. I definately saw a more traditional feel at Deerfield. This means so much to hear from everyone here

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