<p>And the damage done to societies in the “name” of religion, and to people, we can say that harm done to any society from any group will always happen, to pick out Gay people seems absurd</p>
<p>Read the book about collapsing civilzations, its a very complex issue, </p>
<p>As for changing society, gee, too bad Blacks can marry Whites now, and women can vote and work, and Girls are in colleges, and Jewish people can live in your neighborhood, and the south didn’t shrivil up when we stopped slavery, yeah, many people thought things would just be AWFUl when those changes happened, yet somehow this great country survives</p>
<p>Yep, change is bad i guess when it allows others to live their lives in peace and without harrassment and discrimination from others</p>
<p>i believe that you have th right to say and think whatever you want to in your own homes, and among others…it’s just when your speech incites hate against a specific group and/or is taught from an authoritative position, than it’s wrong. after reading about the despicable actions cited in the article, i am incredibly grateful to live in canada, a country with anti-hate laws and laws that are generally more tolerant of minority groups.</p>
<p>cgm - Why is it all black and white with you? You assume that because I do not approve (oh, my gosh, what an authoritative phrase!) of homosexuality that I am against all the other ADVANCES made by society. Well, I am not! </p>
<p>Where you and I part ways is that I do not equate acceptance of homosexuality with acceptance of one’s race, gender, class, etc., but you do, apparently. </p>
<p>What clear benefit do homosexuals (as a GROUP) offer to civilization?</p>
<p>I agree that many terrible things have been commited in the name of “religion”. And, I am not sure that man, being fallible, can ever devise a perfect religion, even in the improbable case that he could live by its guidelines.</p>
<p>What clear benefit? Do they have to offer a benefit as a GROUP? </p>
<p>LGTB people are individuals of all races, creeds, colors, both genders, are parents, children, grandmas, politicians, teachers, cops, firefighters, clergy, designers, writers, contractors</p>
<p>What difference does it make if their is a “clear benfit to civilization” what does that mean anyway…</p>
<p>I am wondering why it bothers you so much if someone is gay? I just don’t get the fear…</p>
<p>What is it about gay people that bothers you so much, and want to bet you know lots of gay people and aren’t even aware of it</p>
<p>And what is to accept- someone is Black, someone is Short or tall, Someone is a redhead and someone is Gay…</p>
<p>Lets see about how people at are 5’6" have contributed to society as a group</p>
<p>Lets see how people with big ears have benefited sociecty as a group</p>
<p>Lets see how people that are lefthanded have benefitted to society</p>
<p>My H was born left handed, he was hit in the hand by evil teachers to “break” him of being lefthanded, cause of superstition or whatever</p>
<p>Was that right, it was how he was made, how he was, so why hit him and harrass him for being left handed</p>
<p>I was born left handed, and my mom, who grew up with kids being forced to “switch” and having problems, and KNOWING that being left handed was not evil, even though some STILL believed that, well, my Mom went to my teachers and said to not DARE and try and switch me, I was made left handed, and somehow, I would be just fine</p>
<p>Seems odd doesn’t it, that not so long ago, left handed people were seen as somehow "bad’…</p>
<p>cgm - I think you have a lot of issues. Every time I try to show that I am not against NATURAL differences in people, in fact I welcome them, you throw homosexuals into the same pot – where they obviously do not belong. There is nothing “natural” about them insofar as their homosexual activity goes – it is an aberration, nothing less.</p>
<p>As indivduals I have nothing against them and have had in fact a number of homosexual friends and maybe still do for all I know. </p>
<p>But, YES, if they, as an aberrent group, want to be considered the equal of any other group then they do have an obligation to be of benefit to society – as a group. And, again, what benefit do they offer? By the way, do you know of any other ABERRENT group who is accepted in society as equal to the norm?</p>
<p>Which takes us back to Luke’s version with the story of the Good Samaritan, a story explaining the meaning of “love thy neighbor” with the twist being that a “good Samaritan” to Jesus’s contemporary Jews was the equivalent of a “good Palestinan” to today’s. </p>
<p>And the original poster’s point, of course. </p>
<p>I say that pedophilia is another example of stupidly giving in to a weakness. </p>
<p>Whether it is inborn or aquired is immaterial. It is taking action on the impulse which is the problem. We all have weaknesses and we also all have choices. It is the CHOICE, and therefore strength, to NOT ACT on those impulses which separates us from all other animals. Maybe some other species can do it to an extent (none that I know of) but is there another as capable as we are to make a conscious choice on what their actions will be? I really think not. What good are we if we cannot rise above our animalistic (and therefore stupid) impulses?</p>
<p>The vast majority of pedophilia is heterosexual; to me, the issue there is that one party to pedophilic acts CANNOT give consent. Consenting adults, IMHO, may privately do whatever they want, assuming no harm is done. (No, I don’t believe one can beat someone with their consent.)</p>
<p>Again – it is a matter of NOT giving in to temptation, no matter whar it is. Simple, isn’t it? How many of us never give in to temptation? How often do we need to be reminded that we do have a choice, that choosing between good and bad/ right and wrong is up to us?</p>
<p>leanid? Oscar Wilde, Alexander, Virginia Woolf, Josephine Baker, Marcel Proust, Byron? Do any of these people ring any kind of bell in your mind? Collectively inventors of western culture, at all? And that’s all off the top of my head!</p>
<p>And then spout your “Gay people haven’t contributed to society.”</p>
<p>Oh, and the origin of your sn, Leonidas? While I’m aware he was Spartan–look up the Theban Band, and get excited about all that homosexuality has contributed and can contribute to society.</p>
. You can also add music (Mercury), television, literature (Wilde), and many more.</p>