Christians Sue for Right Not to Tolerate Policies

<p><a href=“Christians Sue for Right Not to Tolerate Policies”>Christians Sue for Right Not to Tolerate Policies;

<p>Many codes intended to protect gays from harassment are illegal, conservatives argue.
By Stephanie Simon, Times Staff Writer
April 10, 2006 </p>

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<p>Fighting ayahtollahs abroad to make it safe for them at home.</p>

<p>The “gay = lifestyle” riff is one of the stupidest of the many stupid things that has slithered out from under the slimey rocks of the conservative Christian movement. Jesus, people, get to know some gay people, talk to them. Nobody wakes up one morning and says, “Hey, being gay looks like fun! I like home decorating and the Village People are cool, so why not?”</p>

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<p>The problem I have with these Christians is that they seem to just go ahead and assume “sexual orientation is a lifestyle choice, not an inborn trait” when there’s absolutely no basis for that assumption. Why in the world would anyone “choose” to be gay if really given a choice? Nobody can “choose” to be attracted to something/somebody. If that’s the case, that would be too easy to find a mate. LOL! I really don’t believe they are that stupid not to know that. I think they just pretend. What they really believe is this: “The Bible is against homosexuality and doesn’t care it is an inborn trait” But by twisting the fact and saying that’s a lifestyle choice, they can stand much better chance of winning legal support. The irony is this tactic is very un-Christian and dishonest to me.</p>

<p>I firmly believe that when Jesus commanded us to love thy neighbor as theyself, He did not mean we should love only those who look and think and act like us.</p>

<p>I am always surprised that people think being gay is a choice. A lot of methods of curing homosexuals have been advanced, and they’re just not successful. This article indicates just what’s involved in “curing” homosexuals: </p>

<p><a href=“http://members.rediff.com/cweber/treatment.html[/url]”>http://members.rediff.com/cweber/treatment.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>An excerpt from the article:</p>

<p>“Lobotomy, castration and electroshock, followed by drug therapy for the most difficult cases had 100% success in curing the patients and under 22% fatality in our own studies conducted in Argentina, Brazil, and Columbia.”</p>

<p>There’s a fine line between speech - the marketplace of ideas, so cherished a foundation of our country - and harassment. </p>

<p>The first is protected, whether or not you like it - and especially if you don’t like it. The latter is not. IMO, you’re allowed to wear anti-gay T-shirts - because you can also wear anti-Darwin T-shirts or anti-Christian T-shirts. The First Amendment means more than keeping everyone happy - it allows for a free exchange of ideas, regardless of their popularity or political correctness.</p>

<p>Well, free speech is not protected in all places. The problem is that the public/private line is unclear. For example, a mall owner can certainly remove you from the mall for wearing an “offensive” t-shirt, but you can wear anything you like to the National Mall. However, we’ve established that an “offensive” t-shirt will get you removed from the halls of Congress (despite the First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”) (<a href=“http://www.dicksonherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060329/MTCN0205/303290026/1302/MTCN02[/url]”>http://www.dicksonherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060329/MTCN0205/303290026/1302/MTCN02&lt;/a&gt;)</p>

<p>So, is your “right” to free expression covered on college campuses (possibly public property, possibly private)? In public schools (many of which regulate student clothing)? In private schools?</p>

<p>“I firmly believe that when Jesus commanded us to love thy neighbor as theyself, He did not mean we should love only those who look and think and act like us.”</p>

<p>Did Jesus also command us to “love” our neighbor by fornicating with him? Is that what love is?</p>

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<p>Not being a Christian I really don’t know the answer, but I’m guessing that the answer is “no.” In any case, neither Jesus, or anyone else, should force you to make love to anyone you don’t want to. I think that this is generally a good policy to follow.</p>

<p>Well, it also says in the bible you can beat your wife and kids…</p>

<p>its a book written by men and changed over and over again</p>

<p>Yeah, and guys can love guys, what do you care if they do?</p>

<p>“Did Jesus also command us to “love” our neighbor by fornicating with him? Is that what love is?”</p>

<p>Actually, the “loving your neighbor” thing was Jesus simply quoting Hillel.</p>

<p>What Jesus said was “love your enemies”.</p>

<p>Interesting idea. ;)</p>

<p>Okay, cgm, as long as you equate love with sex then there is nothing to say.</p>

<p>Huh? I have NO idea what you mean,equate love with sex, yeah, some people do equate being in love and having sex…so, your point is what?</p>

<p>that people NOT in love have sex? yes they do, and people in love DONT have sex, that is often the case (even among, gasp, married people)</p>

<p>so I have no idea what you are trying to say</p>

<p>so I will say this- I have no problem with what consenting adults do in their bedroom whether they are married or not, it is not my business, and why it is yours, leanid, I have no clue</p>

<p>Don’t like two men having sex, don’t think about then
Don’t like two women being in love and caring for each other don’t think about
Don’t like that a married couple doesn’t have sex, don’t think about it</p>

<p>“so I will say this- I have no problem with what consenting adults do in their bedroom”</p>

<p>Why only bedrooms? ;)</p>

<p>my my Mini…you naughty girl</p>

<p>Sure, I can bury my head in the sand. Are there any negative ramifications for civilization as we know it by “accepting” homosexuality as just another “lifestyle”? If not, then are you saying that it does not matter how many of us are homosexual? Or is there an optimum number, the surpassing of which would begin to change society into something we may not have anticipated in our zeal for proclaiming “acceptance” of others’ behavior, despite having no benefical value to society? </p>

<p>Furthemore, I do not care if guys love other guys – I think that is wonderful. Same with gals loving other gals. I only think that those “loves” should be platonic. I will not be so stupid as to admit that it is “fine” to have homosexual intercourse. If you do not see that it is essentially an act of stupidity, then again, there is no more to say.</p>

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<p>Actually, no, Jesus was specific: love your neighbor. Then he told a story in which the neighbor, actually the model we should try to emulate, was one of your worst enemies.</p>

<p>I believe he asked us to pray for our enemies, but that’s in a different section of the Gospels.</p>

<p>I’m less offended by this particular policy than I am by Canadian or Scandinavian law that actually makes it illegal to read parts of the Bible from the pulpit. Public speech on campus is on thing, I’m all for being polite. If the policy affected what a student could say in the church across the street, it’s another.</p>

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<p>I have to point out that not all people who engage in homosexual behavior are gay in the sense you mean, TheDad. The Jewish reaction to homosexual behavior to certain Greek customs that were cultural rather biological might make it difficult to sort things out a bit. If someone’s just trying things out to be trendy, that’s one thing, but many Christians are more tolerant of true biology, as I’m sure you know.</p>

<p>Of course, if what I understand may be responsible for making people gay is actually the cause, we’re going to face an even more disturbing argument in the future. </p>

<p>The best evidence I’ve seen so far suggests that the mother’s biochemistry in the early days of gestation impact the child’s brain development. When the mother’s hormones are within a certain range, what happens in the vast majority of cases, the brain develops one way and the child is straight. When the mother’s hormones are outside that range, the child is gay.</p>

<p>If that’s the case, being gay is essentially a birth defect. Can you imagine the community you’re reacting to advocating laws requiring that “birth defect” be prevented?</p>

<p>So be careful what you ask for, the reaction to a general acceptance that being gay is biology may not be what you hope.</p>

<p>Luke 6:27: "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, [28] bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.</p>

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<p>Though to be fair, Jesus didn’t actually say it himself in Luke’s Gospel (Mark’s yes, so it’s two against one) and both speakers are quoting Deuteronomy.</p>

<p>Shall we call it a draw? You were right about enemies, but the original poster’s reference was directly from Matthew (and Mark and Luke). :)</p>

<p>The answer to the Pharisees was a quote from Hillel, he having been the revered leader of the Pharisees in the previous generation - the context (versus 34-35) is what gave it its punch. </p>

<p>Luke 6:27, on the other hand, is unprovoked - it is Jesus speaking freely, of his own thoughts, to the multitude (and looking down at his disciples, who would have been well aware that he was saying something very different from Hillel.)</p>