I’m curious, do you think that schools pick people off of a wait-list based on who turns them down, so that they are choosing someone off the wait list who is similar in looks or talents? Or I wonder if it’s different… The agony of the wait list…
My TCU portal says:
“Thanks for applying to TCU, _______. Your decision letter has been mailed.”
Does this mean I’ve been rejected admissions? Or is this them just waiting for me to get my letter? I have friends who applied for early admissions and theirs said things like Congratulations when they check theirs.
Currently freaking out, help me?
D just released a school. It was so hard to click on that send button even if she knew she would not attend there…
Ditto. Just released 6 schools. Really hard.
@soozievt , several kids applied to Michigan as double majors and were accepted academically for the non-MT major before ever hearing the artistic decision. If you have very high grades and stats, this is a very smart move. Michigan awards some large academic scholarships before auditions are even completed, so MT kids are completely left out of competition for these since they have not yet been admitted. By applying for a double major, kids can get an early admission, and perhaps a larger scholarship. The scholarships (other than engineering) are not tied to a specific major, so if admitted to MT the student can just drop the second major during the fall semester and still keep the academic merit scholarship. Some may double major until it becomes a conflict with MT, and some truly intend to get the double major. Most of the kids that did this had very good college counselors advising them that understood things like this and helped guide them.
@destiny95, I have been told that some schools ( I won’t name specifics) go to WL by type and others by gender and some by special abilities. So I think it depends on the school
I know at one of my D’s potential schools, they have said that they want to correct the gender balance of previous classes, and have actually had fewer females in previous classes (imagine that). Waitlisted girls will have a better chance for once!
@Dusing2: The point is, I was talking about being admitted to UMichigan academically without being accepted to the BFA in MT program, if ONLY applying to the BFA in MT program. I didn’t think that was possible. YES, I already said it IS possible to be admitted separately to UMichigan IF one applies to another school at UMichigan (such as liberal studies) in addition to applying to the Music School for MT.
Your point about applying for two majors to increase FA…was not what I was discussing. You are discussing the MERITS of applying to two majors and I simply was discussing if it is possible to be accepted to UMichigan without MT if ONLY applying to MT. And I don’t think that is possible. In fact, in my many years on CC, I have occasionally seen people post “I got into UMich academically, but not artistically” in a misinformed manner, because they were invited to audition and they considered that being “in” academically, whereas it is simply a “screening” out of students who would not have a chance of getting in academically. But the invitation to audition (and this was prior to artistic prescreens that they have now), simply weeds out some applicants but doesn’t mean you would be accepted on the academic front, not to mention that MT applicants (who only apply to MT) are not admitted separately to the university at University of Michigan. It is all or nothing (unless one also applies to a different school at Mich).
What you shared doesn’t counter what I posted. However, your post appears to be making a “dig” at me as a college counselor, telling me what “very good college counselors” advise. My post was not discussing ways to apply to U of Michigan and only what the possible outcomes are for MT “only” applicants. I was asking @artskids how it was possible her son had an academic admit without the MT acceptance, unless he applied for LSA in addition to the Music School.
I picked up on that dig, too, and call Unnecessary Roughness, lol!
(Did I do that right, @MomCares? 
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Perfect. 
… and I hope no one ever hesitates to call “Unnecessary Roughness” on me as well if I forget to play nice. I won’t for a minute claim to never have suffered momentary keyboard-kindness lapses.
Since we’re nearing the end of March Madness it would be more like Flagrant 1. 
Basketball humor.
I would love to hear from @artkids directly and she did bring up the financial aid piece, which @Dusing2 refers to. Also, does this mean that @MTmom67’s post was an inadvertent mistake by U of M? And though it could be construed as slightly, minimally vague their website states the following this year: “To be invited to an audition, you must apply for admission. A preliminary academic review is completed to be sure you meet the minimum guidelines, and then invitations are extended. You will be contacted by email with date and time information.” That would lead me to believe that before one was offered an audition invitation, an academic review had already taken place which one would have to pass. This is the first, last and only time I will post on this subject.
@puma69: The academic review at U of Michigan is simply a screening, much like a prescreen for the audition piece. It eliminates students who would have no chance of being considered for admission. It doesn’t mean, however, if you pass this screening (either the academic screening or the audition prescreen) that you have been accepted on either front. This just is a bar to cross to be invited to audition, nothing more. Meeting “minimum guidelines” doesn’t mean the school will accept you. In fact, U of Michigan is quite selective and if you are right around their minimum guidelines, your odds are lowered than if you are solidly in the ballpark academically.
If a student applies to MT ONLY at UMichigan and is not admitted for MT after auditioning, there won’t be a chance of an acceptance package to U of Michigan. If the student applies to more than one major or school at U of Michigan, different story, as I have posted right along.
MTmom67, nor artskids, have stated whether their kids applied to more than the BFA in MT program at U of Mich (ie., another major or school at U of Michigan).
No desire to tackle but will add this (which has naught to do with the original anecdote - that actually does sound like a secretarial error or computer glitch), at UMich on-campus auditions it was clearly stated that if you were offered an audition then you had passed the academic test. There was no risk at all, parents and students were informed, that an applicant invited to audition would not be admitted based on academic factors. Cut and dried. Horse’s mouth and all that. This does NOT in any way indicate that an academic acceptance might be made to an auditioner who was not offered an MT spot. That does seem like a very singular outcome - quite unusual.
Yeah, the dig was obvious and the false double-major strategy kind of slimy - not what I would expect to see from a “very good college counselor” but to each his own standards.
The main point is that if you apply to one major, MT, at the Music School at U of Michigan, that is all you are considered for. If you want to be considered for LSA as well, or another major in the School of Music, you can apply to two majors in the Music School or apply for dual degree programs in LSA and Music schools at this university.
Since @vocal1046 mentions it, I will admit that I also find it gaming the system to apply for a dual degree program and second major when you have no intention of doing that major. I would not advise my students to do this. I think one should be honest, true, and be themselves on an application.
Is it just me seeing a bit of a double-standard in calling Unnecessary Roughness on some posts, and liking others that clearly cross the line? Let’s be consistent.
Being from Michigan - I can tell you that locally - I know several students who applied to both LSA and MT. They wanted to get MT - but the #1 goal was to go to Michigan - and so they wisely applied both ways - so that should MT not materialize, they would still be able to attend Michigan. This was not what my D desired - so she only applied MT. But, we do have a friend who works quite successfully in NYC who took that route - admitted via LSA and built her own BA in Theatre with heavy dance at Michigan. She now coaches dance, teaches dance, and casts for several cruise lines. So, not everyone who applies to both MT and LSA are “gaming the system” some truly just want to GO BLUE - at all costs!
I think it’s dangerous to make any assumptions about another person without knowing their situation. I also agree that Brent Wagner definitely makes statements that lead you to believe that passing the prescreen = academic admit. I know my D regards her prescreen passage as an indicator that she would have been admitted under other circumstances. (And I have no doubt that she would have with her stats.)
It sounds like the point though was that you had to do this double major application (assuming you REALLY just wanted MT) in order to be considered for some scholarship that they otherwise would miss out on. If this is true, has anyone brought this to UMich’s attention? Seems like a glitch that they would perhaps prefer to remedy than force people to “game the system” in order to not miss out.
@kategrizz…Perfectly understandable that there are some people who want to consider U of Michigan no matter the major!! Or even use the BA there as a back up if they don’t get into a BFA program. So, rest assured, I don’t think everyone who is applying to a dual degree program at U of Michigan is “gaming the system!!” I was only speaking to those who have NO intention of studying anything but MT at University of Michigan but apply to two schools there for other reasons mentioned in someone else’s post.
But again, my main point is that I do not believe if you ONLY apply to U of Michigan for a BFA in MT, that you can be admitted for anything else at the university if not accepted to the BFA program. So, even if you pass the academic review to be invited to audition, and you are not admitted for MT, I don’t believe you will receive an academic “acceptance” to U of Michigan. That is why I was asking @artskids about the academic acceptance she said her son received because I didn’t think this is possible if he only applied to U of Michigan for MT (he could have applied for a dual degree, I don’t know!). I haven’t seen anyone who just applied for BFA in MT at Univ. of Michigan and get denied for the BFA, then receive an acceptance to U of Michigan itself. That would mean that all who passed the academic screening would be getting acceptance packages from U of Michigan.