The IU number jives with what D was told last weekend but I could not find any break down by instrument or degree ( I bet a lot of those students at UM IU UNT are music Ed). Best thing would be to ask at admissions.
Ok. I found Temple numbers from 2014 annual report. Roughly 700 total enrolled in Boyer. 500 undergrad(music AND dance) and 200 grad. If 400 undergrads are music and 100 dance (as a guess) and half of enrolled musicians are jazz ( which sounds high to me) they would have 200 tops in all jazz as a guesstimate and that is likely to be high. Not enormous!
In the past IU had about 800 UG total (the other 800 were masters, doctorate, PDs, ADs - some more academic than performance at the doctorate level).
For VP, it was about 20-25 for a class. So 80-100 total for UG. I sat through their graduation which included jazz (and ballet). I’m not sure numbers but the UG class would have been 200 with grad students too…so another 100+ since grad students graduate sporadically. The whole class was on stage and jazz was not dominant. I would guess a quarter or less. I don’t remember jazz grad students…so like ballet they typically only do UG…swelling the classical numbers at the school.
Once you line up all the vocalists, ballerina/os, classical instrumentalists…and then jazz musicians (they all stood in groups) jazz musicians were a small group in rumbled clothes and hair next to the ballerinas and vocalists in full make up and hair dressed for a formal ball (trust me you could tell the difference - it was kind of funny).
I don’t think a lot of jazz musicians do grad school. So a number around 100 or 150 (with some grad students) would make more sense to me at IU. If the number was 100 per class and maybe 100 in grad school (to get to 500), half my D’s class at a school that leans classical would have been jazz. So…I’m not sure about that…unless that program is really expanding…
Edit: and yes music Ed students too.
Boyer has a BIG music ed program. For example, of the 9 percussion freshman in the studio, only 2 are performance majors. Boyer also has a music technology program now as well. So, yes the performance programs (classical and jazz) are small, but mighty!
@MusicMomSC re the deferral at Frost, I’m not sure if any old timers mentioned this, but in the Journey thread from either last year or the year before, the kids who applied EA for Frost all got “deferred” to RD, but it was determined that this was really deferred from the University not Frost. And the reason was that auditions were still going on through Feb so no final Frost decisions could be made. One boy, @vistajay son, was admitted EA but his academic stats were through the roof and he had interviewed for one of the top scholarships, and noted only 4 Frost applicants were invited to interview So, I’m not sure if you should take this as anything negative as with Frost it seems to be the norm for EA…
Maybe someone from years past could clarify?
I can’t clarify but I do remember this as it was a big topic…and I’m glad someone found the thread. My memory is that this is a pretty standard procedure at Frost…so no worries.
For @MusicMomSC
@raincat & @bridgenail Thx! I spent several hours this morning searching threads for class 2023 & 2022 for Frost admittance. They told us AT the audition that EA applicants would be notified at the end of Jan. I can understand they want to wait for all auditions but was hoping early notification then waiting on $$. Looks like waiting to 3/22-ish…
Looking over my notes for Univ Miami, Frost, during the EA audition and parents meeting, they said there were 475 Frost Students of which 120 were freshmen. In 2019 the admission rate was 45% and a 26% yield (students accepting). Of the students, 20% Jazz, 45% Classical and 35% Contemporary. They have 86 practice rooms for music majors only, open until midnight.
Downbeat Magazine does an annual guide to college jazz programs, which provides info on over 250 schools. Below is info on the number of jazz students at selected schools from the most recent Downbeat guide (in the “October” issue, which was published in late August last year). The numbers are generally listed as “approximate” and generally do not specify whether they’re undergrad only or include grad students (I’ve noted where they do specify). The guide is organized by region, so I’ve listed by region below.
East:
Berklee - 4562 undergrad on campus plus 1195 undergrad online (doesn’t split out jazz)
Eastman - 50
Hartt- 75
Peabody - 30
Juilliard - 50 (includes graduate and artist diploma students)
McGill - 125 undergrad, 30 grad
MSM - total enrollment 500 undergrad, 450 grad (doesn’t split out jazz but I believe undergrad jazz program is in range of 80-100)
NEC - 100
New School - 270 (doesn’t differentiate between jazz and contemporary)
NYU - 100
SUNY Purchase - 80 (60 undergrad)
Rutgers - 40
Syracuse - 95
Temple (Boyer) - 100
William Paterson - 65 undergrad
South:
Florida State - 60
Loyola (New Orleans) - 50
Miami (Frost) - 90 undergrad, 28 grad
UNT - 251
Vanderbilt (Blair) - 125
Midwest:
Indiana (Jacobs) - 65
Michigan - 63
Michigan State - 60
Northwestern (Bienen) - 20
Oberlin - 80
UMKC - 49
Western Michigan - 70
West:
Cal Arts - 45
Cal Jazz Conservatory - 60
CSU Northridge - 55
Portland State - 40 to 60
SFCM - 28
UCLA (Herb Alpert) - 50
USC (Thornton) - 75
Thank you! Appreciate the real numbers!
On the subject of numbers, I do remember for IU during the music UG summer orientation some general numbers (someone asked) that about a third are cut during pre-screens. From auditions, nearly half are offered admissions. Of that group, a little over half accept (students who get acceptances usually get multiple acceptances). So if you start with 1000 applications, you may audition 750 and offer 375 spots to yield a class of 200ish…of which a small percentage will drop freshman and sophomore year…getting IU probably to a graduating class of 180ish.
These numbers line up with the Miami numbers above. The problem is that some instruments (harp)may accept only a few students for one spot…whereas vocalists will be offering 40+ spots to get 20…of course those 20 spots are split M/F. And then some schools like Juilliard the numbers are going to be skewed due to a high number of apps from name/reputation and few spots. Some schools are harder admits…but there are no golden tickets due to school name.
My take away was always at many schools you have a nearly 50% chance for acceptance once at audition. Maybe in some cases it’s 40% or a third…but it’s not less than 10% at most. So be positive! If you have passed lots of pre-screens, have 5 - 8 auditions…you should get a handful of acceptances.
And for @songbirdmama and @buoyant i saw numbers for the YAP program at the opera in our city in the paper today. From app to offer, it was 1 lonely percent. Lol. These darn numbers never go away…
Again my opinion and memory…which is NOT perfect.
jazzpianodad—— Thank you for the list!! It sure reminds me what a monster Berklee is! A very unique, one of a kind in the world.
MSM, about 95-ish in Jazz Arts, 55% grad, 45% undergrad.
I hope that everyone is having safe travels this weekend. We decided to get ahead of the winter storm and left Cincinnati last night. We’re enjoying a beautiful afternoon in Pittsburgh!
The CCM audition was great. Quick in and out with her two songs, and the meeting with the faculty was super helpful. We felt like we got a great feel for the school, even with leaving early. On to CMU tomorrow.
@runninglate sounds perfect! Enjoy CMU!
@MusicMomSC When we visited Frost in the spring they said EA was really only for kids competing for top merit and that all others should just do regular decision or they will just be deferred. Also, they said that their yield last year was higher than expected - over 30% - so that will mean fewer acceptances if the yield continues to rise. We will be there 2/7 for auditions.
Like @MusicMomSC’s S, my D also got deferred to RD at Frost. But listen to this: The email said that UMiami has received more than 38,000 applications for 2,100 spots in the freshman class – which is crazy. To put that in perspective, two years ago, Harvard received 43,000 applications for 1,950 incoming spots. Will be curious to hear what the other folks on the board have heard from Frost. It’s interesting to know that deferral may be par for the course for EA Frost applicants – although it truly sounded different in the info session – I thought many more of Frost’s admits came from the EA pool.
@NECJ97 enjoy Miami in Feb!
Thanks @MusicMomSC it’s her top pick so fingers crossed. She didn’t get a great vibe from the UNT audition today but who knows.
I think that most of Frost EA applicants are waiting for all other (Frost RD) to complete auditions. According to a previous post somewhere in CC, Frost and Miami agreed on the different academic threshold for Frost applicants because auditions matter most. So deferral to RD sounds very normal for Frost EA applicants. Nothing to be disappointed.