<p>I think this idea that Obama and Clinton are destroying each other is way overblown. They haven’t thrown anything that won’t be thrown in the general campaign, and by then it will be old news. Obama’s pretty clearly going to be the nominee, and I think it’s better that he take some hits now.</p>
<p>Hillary will not leave the contest, all she needs is Fl and Michigan to be counted and then she can say she has the popular count and thus should be the nom.</p>
<p>Howard Dean didn’t count on this happening when he devised his plan.</p>
<p>The bigger problem is the exit polls are showing 25% of Hillary supporter will vote for McCain if she doesn’t get the nod and additional 20% said they won’t vote at all. That is pretty much handing McCain the presidency.</p>
<p>Well, that will make up for the 25% of Republicans who don’t like him well enough to come out and vote for him. Yesterday, McCain only got 73%…Paul had a scooch under 16% and Huckabee had 11%. Those are pretty good figures for people who aren’t really in it any more. Chances are the Paulites at least won’t change their minds. McCain must choose a running mate very, very carefully. The Post is suggesting that it may well be Romney, even though McCain doesn’t exactly count him among ‘my friends…’</p>
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<p>There’s a huge difference between “didn’t vote for him in the primary” (one that he didn’t campaign for mind you) and “wont vote for him in the election.” Unless of course you have polls that show that 25% of Republicans will not vote for McCain, something I doubt you have. But hey, making up statistics is always entertaining.</p>
<p>You might as well say the same thing to bulletandpima about her exit poll information. I’m sure many of the irate Clinton people will, eventually, vote for the D nominee whomever that may be. But you cannot state that ‘didn’t vote for him in the primary’ and ‘won’t vote for him in the election’ only applies to Democrats and not Republicans. November’s a long way off. </p>
<p>And don’t accuse me of making stuff up…I give my opinons based on the information I have. If you don’t wanna look at the numbers for McCain and other Republicans on the Pennsylvania official site, don’t. But don’t insult me either.</p>
<p>The democrats are getting hurt with this kitchen sink campaign, but I think either of them can beat McCain. McCain has Iraq around his neck. As long as the eventual democratic candidate comes up with a reasonable plan to get us out of the position we currently find ourselves in Iraq, he or she can win.<br>
It’s my belief that the main reason so many Republicans dislike the current administration is the war. The cost in lives, treasure and world opinion hurts Republicans as much as Democrats, and they would like to see us at least TRY to end it. That doesn’t mean they would vote for Clinton or Obama, but it will definitely dampen the enthusiasm for McCain among moderate Republicans.<br>
But what do I know, I’m from California where we still have moderate Republicans, and plenty who are appalled at what this administration has done to our country.</p>
<p>“McCain has Iraq around his neck.” And so does HRC. And at this point, I don’t know if either dem can beat McCain. </p>
<p>And now she is sword rattling again. This does not appeal to a large group of dems whatsoever.</p>
<p>[ABC</a> News: 11th Hour Clinton Ad Features Bin Laden](<a href=“Pennsylvania's Six Week Primary Ends Tonight - ABC News”>Pennsylvania's Six Week Primary Ends Tonight - ABC News)</p>
<p>“I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president, we will attack Iran,” Clinton said. “In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”</p>
<p>ITA with laxattack09. A primary and a GE are 2 very different elections. What’s that saying, ‘during the primary you fall in love, during the GE you fall in line’.</p>
<p>Novelisto, I actually know my in-laws will not vote for Obama…no if and or buts! There are people actually out there who feel this way. My sons gf refuses to vote for Hillary so she will vote McCain.</p>
<p>CelticClan- Clinton’s “attack Iran” comment was in response to Cuomo’s question of "what she would do if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons. "</p>
<p>Since I’m not too worried about Iran attacking Israel with nuclear weapons, I think this was purely tough talk. Clinton has repeatedly stated during the campaign that she will work to bring our troops home. Like you, I have my doubts about how hard she will try to do this, and what form it will take, (which is one reason I prefer Obama) but she is definitely running on the promise of getting out of Iraq. This is a big difference between her and McCain.</p>
<p>Yes, bulltetandpima, I know people who feel that way as well. My mother told me she would never vote for Obama because he would bring too many black people into high office. It’s really great having a bigot for a mom! 
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She doesn’t like Hillary or McCain either, so who knows what she’ll do.</p>
<p>I do know there are a lot of non-racist pragmatic moderate Republicans out there who want to see us end this occupation. They would like to see something done about our disasterous health care system which is hurting businesses of all sizes as they take on the financial burden for their employees. They’d also like to see us have a healthier economy, one where the dollar isn’t sinking, and one where our financial institutions aren’t crumbling and our interest rates aren’t continuously falling. This economy is bad for everyone except the individuals at the tippy top, and certain corporations which profit from the war. My H is in the financial industry, and you might be surprised how many in this conservative industry are looking at Obama as a serious alternative to more war McCain.</p>
<p>“the exit polls are showing 25% of Hillary supporter will vote for McCain if she doesn’t get the nod and additional 20% said they won’t vote at all.”</p>
<p>Perhaps the prospects of having a neo-lib administration does not excite them. Not all democrats subscribe to neo-liberal (ultra liberal) agenda.</p>
<p>The media talking heads say Obama is more liberal than Hillary. Yet he is the one NOT wanting to put mandates on healthcare. Whether you agree or not (I happen to agree with Hilary on this point) his is a more conservative approach. How are Hillary’s other proposal’s less liberal than Obama’s?</p>
<p>Seriously. One of the reasons I was slow to support Obama was that I didn’t think he was as liberal as Hillary. I still don’t, but I like him better, anyway.</p>
<p>The main issue of Hillary’s that is not sufficiently “liberal” (although I now consider it “sane”, not liberal in this case) is the war. But she has changed her tune to support bringing the troops home soon. Don’t know if she means it, though.</p>
<p>I also don’t believe any polls that try to tell us what people will do 6 months from now while they are in the heat of a kitchen sink campaign. I remember when I worked for Kennedy that I swore I wouldn’t vote for Carter if Kennedy lost the nomination. I meant it at the time. A few months later I was happy to vote for Carter because the general campaign brought up all the negs of the Republican challenger, and reminded me of what mattered.</p>
<p>Feelings will change after the nomination.</p>
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<p>No, you did make something up…unless you have a poll that says 25% of republicans wont vote for McCain in November? </p>
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<p>You seem unable to grasp the two different things happening here. The exit poll info asked if they would vote for the other person if their candidate lost. That’s a specific question. Did exit polls say 25% of republicans wont vote for McCain? No, they didn’t. You ASSUMED that if they didn’t vote for McCain in the primary then they wont in the general. That’s like me saying “55% of dems wont vote for Obama in the general because he lost 55% of dem vote last night.” Do I think every clinton supporter who said they wouldn’t back obama wont? No way, I think the majority will, but a good number wont. These are two entirely different concepts, they aren’t the same.</p>
<p>“How are Hillary’s other proposal’s less liberal than Obama’s?”</p>
<p>It is not the proposals. The proposals are the just the proposals . It is the people who will run/influence the policies.</p>
<p>Last Clinton presidency was more centrist.</p>
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<p>Such as?? A lot of past Clinton adminstration people are on Obama’s team.
I’m glad you admitted that her proposals are not less liberal than his. It’s the mainstream media, owned by corporate Republicans , that has succeeded in painting Obama as more liberal. If you actually look at his work as a state senator, you can see that this is not the case.
They (the MSM) are really wanting to run against her. They can hardly wait.</p>
<p>And obviously, the Republicans would still rather compete against Hillary Clinton in the fall than Barack Obama. Even as we speak, the North Carolina State Republican Party is preparing to launch a campaign ad featuring Jeremiah Wright which posits that Obama is too radical, and therefore unsuitable for Office. McCain is supposedly very upset about his ad, and has asked the party not to run it.</p>
<p>This would seem to be a clear indicator that The North Carolina Republican Party wants Hillary to win its Democratic Primary. Why do you suppose, are they so afraid of an Obama nomination?</p>
<p>I live in NC, NC is a red state and I don’t think that they fear either candidate.</p>
<p>Republicans should be more worried about running against Hillary since statistically the older generation turns out in droves on election day, and many older dems love the Clinton…i.e. PA is the 2nd oldest state behind FL.
Although the younger generation is motivated by Obama, it does not necessarily correlate into getting them to te polls, whereas the older generation feels it is their obligation. The older generation also has more swing voters, thus the swings will stay with Hillary against McCain.</p>
<p>I live in NC and I can tell you I must see at least 5-10 commercials a day for Obama, maybe 1 for Hillary. I find it interesting since he has such a lead that it seems like he is wasting money running them.</p>
<p>“it does not necessarily correlate into getting them to te polls”</p>
<p>Historically, that’s true. This particular candidate does seem to be getting supporters, including young people and new registrants, to the polls in record numbers.</p>
<p>Nothing and no one else in the world could unite the Republican party behind John McCain like Hillary Clinton will.</p>
<p>Quote from Simba: “Last Clinton presidency was more centrist.”</p>
<p>So? We keep hearing that it is Hillary that is running for President, NOT Bill.</p>
<p>You can’t have it both ways! :rolleyes:</p>
<p>If the Republicans prefer HRC, it might be because she is closer to the center, and if a Democratic president is perceived as inevitable, they are more comfortable with her positions, especially on investment income and taxation issues. Early assessments of the candidates, back when there were many of them, reflected a business consensus that she would be the preferred Democrat.</p>