Clinton's Sniper Fire

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<p>Is this irrefutable evidence that Clinton has been caught red-handed about arriving in Tuzla, Bosnia (1996) under sniper fire?</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/21/AR2008032102989.html?nav=rss_politics[/url]”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/21/AR2008032102989.html?nav=rss_politics&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/22/161812/428/776/482309[/url]”>http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/22/161812/428/776/482309&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Four Pinocchios. ;)</p>

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<p>Oh. That’s not good.</p>

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<p>still better than being racist.</p>

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<p>I love that the girl’s name is redacted. Oh, brother.</p>

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<p>Wow, Simba, that’s really inflammatory, in a way that makes Clinton supporters look really bad. Obama talks extensively about being half white, and obviously loves his grandma to bits (read his books) which I’m assuming is where youre dredging up the racism shtick from. Has said written much about how his values and drive come from his (white) mother etc. Has an Asian sister he’s extremely close to. Just got Richardson’s endorsement.</p>

<p>But sure, go with the racism line, that’ll work.</p>

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<p>Is that really what Simba meant? Say it ain’t so, Simba.</p>

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<p>“still better than being racist.”</p>

<p>That’s true! I’ll take Hil’s Pinocchio Moment over Bill’s South Carolina comments anytime.</p>

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<p>SC comment was not racist at all. Now Obama is calling Bill McCarthy. First there was monster.</p>

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<p>Oh come now, Simba. Had Obama cooked up such historical revision, one that could so easily be debunked, you would have lambasted him to kingdom come. But you’ve nothing to say about Hillary’s use of an obvious and intentional lie, served up to make herself look good? All you can do is drag out the old tired “racist” accusation against Obama?</p>

<p>Which flavor is it today? Radical Raspberry or Partisan Punch?</p>

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<p>Bill called anyone who is not Hillary or McCain and is running for President unpatriotic and unAmerican. Yes, that is very McCarthyesque–when on the defense, question their patriotism. Right out of the playbook.</p>

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<p>Just wondering, is this really going to be damaging to her campaign (like is it on the news and stuff) or is this just something thats no big deal that’ll be swept under the rug?</p>

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<p>Kenshinsan, I think this comes back to the fact that everyone knows that Senator Clinton is fundamentally dishonest and this just reinforces what the electorate already knows. Now if she were suddenly to be caught telling the truth, who knows what the impact would be.</p>

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<p>“Bill called anyone who is not Hillary or McCain and is running for President unpatriotic and unAmerican. Yes, that is very McCarthyesque”</p>

<p>How so? Have you read the comments and the context?</p>

<p>"Kathleen Parker writes “In Bill’s Defense,” saying that the Obama campaign’s interpretation is “nonsense.”</p>

<p>Parker, who was at the speech in question, writes, "In no way did I interpret Clinton’s remarks as questioning Obama’s patriotism. Clinton was making the case for his wife’s electability against McCain, who, last time I checked, is the presumptive Republican nominee, and her challenger should she win the Democratic nomination. He may have intentionally bypassed Obama in his leap to match Hillary against McCain, but he didn’t say anything that could be construed as questioning Obama’s patriotism. "</p>

<p>the comments</p>

<p>Former President Bill Clinton, laying out “the three reasons” for his wife’s candidacy at Charlotte, N.C., VFW post 1160 Friday, said, “She’d be the best for the veterans, she’d be the best commander-in-chief, and she’d be the best at managing this economy.”</p>

<p>Then he got into some trouble with a fourth reason: electability. Citing hypothetical match-ups between the Democrats and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the former president said his wife beats McCain in Ohio, Florida and Arkansas, while Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., would lose to him in those states.</p>

<p>“So she can win this election,” he said to applause.</p>

<p>“And we need to change the direction of this country,” he continued. “But it won’t be an easy race. John McCain is an honorable man … and he and Hillary are friends. They like and respect each other.”</p>

<p>He then told about how she and McCain had worked together on global warming.</p>

<p>“I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country,” Clinton said, "and people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics.</p>

<p>“So that’s my argument for her.”</p>

<p><a href=“http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/was-bill-clinto.html[/url]”>http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/was-bill-clinto.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>After the Clinton/Tenet Big Lie of 1998, this is really pinochionino.</p>

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<p>as big as the mass-murderer thing?</p>

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<p>I agree that Bill Clinton’s comments were not inappropriate. My concern as a Democrat this year has always been electibility. The right wing slime machine is incredibly well-oiled. Their use of 527 groups like the Swifties (funded by a big time Bush supporter) to do their dirty work is entirely unrestrained by any sort of decency or principle. So I’m kind of glad that the “politics-lite” that’s been going on between Obama and Clinton has brought some of this stuff out. Bill Clinton’s comments are well within the sphere of acceptable campaign rhetoric, IMHO.</p>

<p>Having said that, I think the “sniper fire” comment was a big boo-boo by HC - especially after Sinbad came out with his comments. This isn’t somebody else, who is associated with the candidate in some way, saying something impolitic, like the latest shots at Obama. This is her saying something about herself that is verifiable - and verifiably untrue - and which is actually related to part of her campaign theme, if only a bit tangentially - experience. </p>

<p>Like I said before - not good.</p>

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<p>kluge: did you read the whole comments?</p>

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<p>Bill Clinton’s comments? The ones posted, yes. I didn’t see anything wrong with them. He’s campaigning for Hillary. His comments were entirely acceptable campaign rhetoric, in my opinion.</p>

<p>As for H Clinton’s comments - I saw a brief snippet of her press conference. I don’t know any way around that other than to claim that she was thinking about some other plane landing somewhere else.</p>

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<p>Simba–in context, as well as without, it’s clear that what he’s saying is that a McCain/Clinton race would be one between two people who love their country, not people with other baggage that make that not so clear. </p>

<p>Geez, I wish just once he’d admit to the plain meaning of what he obviously said.</p>