College Board Response to Harvard Educational Review Article

<p><a href="http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/pdf/college-board-response-santelices-wilson.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/pdf/college-board-response-santelices-wilson.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I personally think that the above document is a waste of CB time because it is evident that the ACT will overtake the SAT in the next decade because: </p>

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<li><p>in 2009 the SAT was taken 1.5 Mil times and the ACT was taken 1.4 Mil times. A far cry from decades ago when a strong majority of colleges prefered SAT. It is only common sense that if this trend continues that the ACT will become the more popular test </p></li>
<li><p>The fact that many colleges every year are changing their test policy to ACT or SAT and 2 Subject Tests. UPenn and Boston University (majority of colleges) are 2 examples. This is damaging 2 fold to CB because people will stop paying for 3 test in exchange for only taking the ACT and because the SAT will become less popular as mentioned above. </p></li>
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<p>I made this thread to discuss the article and my opinion on it. Also to see what other people think. Im sorry if this has already been posted</p>

<p>I have also read that there are schools that are considering going to multiple subject tests--in lieu of the SAT1...</p>

<p>I think you are right.</p>

<p>We had our student take the SAT and then later kiddo
Took the ACT --which was much closer to real school life, gpa, rigorous curriculum etc...though kiddo said the pieces in the reading section fro example were very SAT-like.</p>

<p>Aren't Harvard and NYU two other schools considering other testing methodologies beyond SAT?</p>

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Took the ACT which was much closer to real life, gpa, rigorous curriculum etc..

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<p>Understandably. The ACT correlates more closely with GPA because it is an achievement test, whereas the SAT is foremost an aptitude test.</p>

<p>The ACT is growing, but it has been presented as an "alternative" rather than a primary test to replace the SAT. Until that mindset is altered, the ACT will not surpass the SAT.</p>

<p>While the SAT is an "aptitude test"...since it's coachable--
its not about raw intelligence....</p>

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While the SAT is an "aptitude test"...since it's coachable--
its not about raw intelligence....

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<p>Everything's coachable.</p>

<p>An0maly: the mindset is fed through the student's parent's belief that the SAT is prefered over the ACT like it was decades ago when they were in this process. </p>

<p>here is an excert from my ACT Guide <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/act-preparation/897716-futureentsurgeons-simple-guide-improve-act.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/act-preparation/897716-futureentsurgeons-simple-guide-improve-act.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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personally i think ACT is the most valid test because it actully tests material that a person should know before college. </p>

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English- learn how to identify and in the future write proper and concise english
math- up to precalc, so IMO if you get a 30+ you should be ready for calculus
reading- how to read for "business" not for pleasure which is essential because in college you must learn how to effectively read
science- problem solving </p>

<p>as for the SAT how is having just a strong vocabulary the key to succeeding in college and for the math section it is not relavent to have questions like that. in physics, chem, and engineering the math you need to know is formuated

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as for the SAT how is having just a strong vocabulary the key to succeeding in college

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<p>Having a strong vocabulary is important in many different contexts, including college.</p>

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for the math section it is not relavent to have questions like that. in physics, chem, and engineering the math you need to know is formuated

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<p>You can't be serious.</p>

<p>Our kids' school requires the students to take both. Some students do better on one than the other.</p>

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Our kids' school requires the students to take both. Some students do better on one than the other.

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<p>I likewise recommend that all students try both to see which they do better on.</p>

<p>Silverturtle: i can see where your agruements are coming from but many people agree with what i have said. </p>

<p>i also encourage people to take both. im just trying to stop people from focusing on the wrong test for example my friend got a 1750 on the SAT and 29 ACT (equivalent to about 1920 SAT) his parents still belived that the SAT is prefered so they forced him to study up for the SAT. 5 months later he was at a 2010 SAT but if he had used that time to focus on the ACT he couldve easily gone up atleast 3 points to a 32 (around 2130 SAT)</p>

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can see where your agruements are coming from but many people agree with what i have said.

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<p>Yes, mostly people who are biased because they did better on the ACT. :)</p>

<p>I have a perfect ACT, yet I still hold the SAT as more legitimate. Aptitude is more crucial than basic high school level knowledge, for success in college, as well as life.</p>

<p>Besides, we all know the ACT science section is rubbish.</p>

<p>I've seen a few colleges use multiple SAT subject scores recently and I hope that that's a direction more colleges go in. In my opinion, the SAT isn't all that accurate at evaluating success in college. The more alternatives there are, the better</p>

<p>SAT I evaluates reasoning, something many high school students need to improve on if they want to do well in college.</p>