College Presidents seek debate on legal drinking age

<p>Northeastmom, don’t know about changes in rates of longterm morbidity or mortality, but the rates of alcohol induced deaths have gone down with the raising of the age. There are those who do obey the law and it does create some caution when disobeying it. </p>

<p>To me the binge drinking is troubling. I know we drank a lot in college. There were problems associated with overdrinking. No question about it. Lots of stupidities and problems due to drinking too much. But I don’t know anyone who got alcohol poisoning in my college days, nor do I know of anyone who drank himself to death. I have heard of stories that have hit pretty close to home in the last ten years of college kids killing themselves from over drinking and many, many kids hospitalized. It is blamed on binge drinking. But I know binge drinking occurred in my college. In fact, as a rule “social” drinking tended to be binge drinking at college parties. Lots of hung over kids, sick kids, vomiting kids,etc, but I did not know of a single kid hospitalized from over drinking alone.</p>

<p>Mini–I notice you say “Northern European.” Is southern Europe different? Also, you note the rates of binge drinking and self-consequences, though not drunk driving. Are the drunk driving rates and accidents caused by that also higher in Europe? Thanks in advance.</p>

<p>What a bunch of BUNK! The problem is lax enforcement of the present laws. Expulsion of violators would solve the problem very quickly. </p>

<p>Frankly, dorms are like animal house and its tolerated (wink wink) by colleges because they make a LOT OF MONEY off room/board charges. </p>

<p>Plus they need the revenues of tuition paying students. </p>

<p>18 year olds are NOT adults. They are young adults…still growing and maturing. </p>

<p>Its incredulous that anyone would consider lowering the drinking age. Just last week a 20 year old tennis star at UNC Chapel Hill got drunk, drove his car, killed someone, and now is sitting in jail awaiting trial. I dont think lowering the drinking age would have prevented his drinking. But maybe telling all freshmen and students under the age of 21 that getting caught drinking underage will be prosecuted and the university will expel you would sober them up a little bit.</p>

<p>Geesh!</p>

<p>Hardly makes for a scientific study, but in my experience I never saw kids vomiting from drinking in college. I did witness vomiting from drinking once in high school (the day after the high school prom). I never saw binge drinking in college, and I never knew a college student hospitalized because of drinking or drugs. My son cannot say the same thing.</p>

<p>I don’t know how I feel about this…I don’t like the legal age to be 18, because of the natural filtering-down affect to high schoolers. S1 attends a school whose president has joined this group, and I know this college makes a valiant effort to educate and monitor alcohol use. Freshman are required to complete the online alcohol EDU course (which most find a joke, but I have to say S1 did learn some things). Freshman orientation covers signs of alcohol poisoning, etc. BUT it is a VERY hard thing to monitor. S1 had not had a drink prior to college, and was throwing-up wasted his first weekend on campus. He found moderation, I think, but I fully expect the binge-partying will begin the second he steps back on campus, followed by moderation. Some kids do receive warnings, but they are seen as fairly ineffectual. He has been a pretty straight arrow this summer, because he has to drive to spend time with friends, and he knows that he will be expelled, no questions asked, if he (or any other student at his U) is he received a DUI. That is a line he won’t cross–alcohol + car, because of the school policy.</p>

<p>I grew up in a household where my Dad worked for a beer company, and offered up beer to my bros and me at about age 18 if we were to stay home.) I don’t think I ever had one with my dad, and did party in high school and college, so its not like the mystique of drinking was removed with the permission…</p>

<p>Part of me would like some “permission” system on college campuses that might help with the covert binge-drinking, without the legal permission of a lowered drinking age that then permeates high schools more…</p>

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<p>Since when? They may not seem like adults to you, but in many aspects, they are considered legal adults.</p>

<p>^Yep, adult enough to enlist in the military, take out huge amounts of student loan debt, run up credit card debt in their name, sign contracts, vote in elections, and so forth.</p>

<p>“College Presidents Call For Lower Drinking Age”
[College</a> Presidents Call For Lower Drinking Age - Boston News Story - WCVB Boston](<a href=“http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/17229375/detail.html]College”>http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/17229375/detail.html)</p>

<p>There is a big difference between drinking alcohol at civilized functions and binge drinking or “social” drinking at parties and other get together that young folks like to do. I hear of a lot of families who allow younger age kids to drink at home. It is not the same thing at all. To sip and enjoy wine or a toast is a whole different ball game, not the same species as chugging and drinking for the whole purpose of getting smashed. The onus of the regs should be on the amount of alcohol in a system, not drinking alcohol at all, but to regulate that would be a nightmare.</p>

<p>JEM, I think this may be the same article as in the original post and it is all over many news sources now. </p>

<p>Many of the article titles I have seen are using terms such as “calling for lower drinking age.” I do think this is what one of the objectives is generally speaking, but the group’s mission is stated to call for debate of this issue.</p>

<p>I can’t stand binge drinking, and don’t know if lowering the drinking age would solve the problem. However, as long as 18 year olds can vote, marry, go to war, and in all other ways, be treated as adults, I think they should also be able to have a legal drink. There is much more sanity about liquor in countries without a 21 drinking age, and the joke in Europe and parts of Canada is that you can always tell the American teenagers, because they are the ones getting smashed.</p>

<p>It seems to me that binge drinking has become the extreme sport. May not having anything to do with the drinking age. Just one of those lemming things that young people get into.</p>

<p>"the joke in Europe and parts of Canada is that you can always tell the American teenagers, because they are the ones getting smashed.:</p>

<p>Except binge drinking rates among Northern European teens are well higher than for American ones.</p>

<p>Look, as a beginning, I think every college President, well, let’s begin with the President of my alma mater, should get up before the assembled freshman at the beginning of every school year, and say something like the following:</p>

<p>"You assembled here represent the best and brightest class we’ve ever had. (he says that every year). You come from every state in the union, and umpteen foreign countries, from all races and classes and stations in life, and you should be very proud.</p>

<p>Now I have something very serious to say. Take a look around you, two people to the left, and three to the right. One of the six of you (thre of whom, by the way, were high school valedictorians), once you leave here, will be saddled with a serious alcohol problem or the chronic disease of alcoholism for the rest of your life. If you are white, and male, it might be closer to one in five. It doesn’t mean you aren’t intelligent - you know that, and I know that. Some of you might become bank presidents, or famous lawyers, or able doctors - but you will still struggle, and unless you decide to break that pattern now, you are likely to pass this chronic disease down to your children. We want to help - by providing you with the education, skills, and tools necessary to help you circumvent this fate, but we will need you to make use of them.</p>

<p>Also take a look around you. More than a few of you - and not necessarily within the one of six - will commit forcible rape or sexual assault. You will be rapists or sexual assaulters, a very serious felony in this state. You won’t necessarily think of it that way - when it happens, your minds will be clouded, your judgment may not be sound, you really won’t be morally aware of what you are doing. You might not even remember it in the morning. I want you to know that in the eyes of the law, this matters little. But putting aside the law, is this what you wish to remember as the legacy of your days here?</p>

<p>And now take a look at all these wonderful women here. More than a few of you will be raped or sexually assaulted. You will not be raped or sexually assaulted by people outside the college walls, by folks in the neighborhood, or by a random stranger. It will be by one of the people - perhaps even by one of the former valedictorians - sitting in this room. You may at first not think of it as rape, and likely you will not even report it until you figure it out for yourself a week or a month or even a year later. Some of you will have blacked out from alcohol intoxication, and not remember it at all. Most of you will feel a mixture of fear, anger, and shame - and you will carry it around with you for a very long time.</p>

<p>A few of you aren’t going to make it. You will fall off a balcony, drive your car off the hairpin turn (we’ve lost 30 that way since I was born), or simply drink so much that you will stop breathing before we get you to the hospital. We will hold a moving memorial service for you, and our insurance company will (privately) give your parents a hefty settlement payment. But you won’t be around for graduation.</p>

<p>None of this has anything to do with the legal drinking age. Some of us think it should be lower. Others of us think it should remain where it is. Regardless, as an educational institution, we feel dutybound to help you make wise choices, and avoid these fates. We have an entire psychology department that can teach you about the development of the adolescent brain, a genetics department which can help you understand the alleles for alcoholism and your particular and personal risk, a fine sociology department that can help you learn about group behavior, a fantastic philosophy and religion department that can help you understand ethical choices. We have a great student assistance department that will not try to convince you not to drink, but can help you to develop strategies to moderate your drinking. We have junior advisors who we have asked to help you, confidentially, to develop your own alcohol risk profile, so you know where you stand.</p>

<p>And we will help you develop habits of ways to have fun without resort to alcohol use. To demonstrate our commitment and to provide role models, today - with the backing of the board of trustees - I wish to announce that all faculty and alumni events on campus will now be alcohol-free. There is no reason why your parents’ tuition checks should be paying for my choice or that of any faculty member to drink. </p>

<p>Let us turn over a new page. We really can do better. We are considered by some to be the number one liberal arts college in the nation. But, truthfully, given what I know about the impact of alcohol on educational achievement - on this campus, and on every campus - I know better. We can do better, and we will.</p>

<p>Thank you."</p>

<p>I never thought that I’d agree with this position but now as a mom with two sons, I’m all for lowering the age back down to 18. Many moons ago when I was in college, the drinking age was 18. Rather than hiding out in the dorm rooms and binge drink the way it’s done today, the dorms would actually have parties in the main lounge where you could openly drink beer. The drinking was more of a social experience rather than drinking for the sake of getting drunk. Each weekend, different dorms would host the parties and it was a great way for students to meet other kids outside of their dorm. The parties were supervised by the RA’s and Resident Director and it did provide a sort of “training wheels” way to “learn” how to drink in a social environment. I honestly think that binging and alcohol poisoning wasn’t nearly as prevalent as it is now with the higher drinking age.</p>

<p>“mini, have the rates of liver cancer, cirrhosis, and binge drinking decreased in this country since the legal age for drinking changed from 18 to 21? I honestly, have no idea.”</p>

<p>There has been a small but statistically signifcant decline in the past 10 years, accelerating in the past five, in the rate of chronic liver disease and cirrhosis deaths. Of course, death data may also be impacted by effectiveness of treatment (though, as far as I know, there really is no effective treatment short of transplant.) </p>

<p>This would indicate “apparent” success of efforts in the 1980s (now that this cohort is old enough to be dying from these disorders). “Apparent”, I say, because liver cancer/cirrhosis are linked to heavy/chronic drinking, not necessarily to binge drinking, and is mostly confined to the smaller set of individuals who are addicted to alcohol. So I wouldn’t go too far with that, without more careful analysis.</p>

<p>I couldn’t fit this in my above post because I ran out of room. </p>

<pre><code>My older sons’ best friend was killed this past year in Iraq at the age of 19. He held his ground knowing he was going to be killed, stood in front of a speeding truck loaded with explosives at a security check point, shot and killed the suicide bomber. The truck veered off course and blew up. This 19 year old stopped it from going through the check point. He saved 35 of his fellow marines and over 40 Iraqi soldiers that they had been training. You mean to tell me that he’s old enough to die for this country but not have a beer! It’s totally absurd.
Of course I don’t agree with kids going out and getting drunk. But I do believe that by lowering the age to 18, they will benefit from the supervision (either by parents or RA’s) while they begin to experiment with alcohol. At 21, any sort of supervision or authority really doesn’t apply. But at 18, we can monitor them a bit more.
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<p>The Monitoring the Future survey addresses the high school binge drinking data</p>

<p>[Johnston</a>, L. D., O’Malley, P. M., Bachman, J. G., & Schulenberg, J. E. (2006). Monitoring the Future national survey results on drug use, 1975-2005. Volume I: Secondary school students (NIH Publication No. 06-5883). Bethesda, MD: National Institute on Drug Abuse, 684 pp.(5 meg PDF)](<a href=“http://monitoringthefuture.org/pubs/monographs/vol1_2006.pdf]Johnston”>http://monitoringthefuture.org/pubs/monographs/vol1_2006.pdf)</p>

<p>The binge drinking rate increased during the 1970s when many states lowered the drinking age from the traditional 21 years old. There was an immediate reversal of this trend with Congress mandating the 21 year old drinking age (or forfeit fed highway funds) in 1984. The binge drinking rate has continued to decline:</p>

<p>% of 12-graders binge drinking in 2 weeks prior to survey:</p>

<p>1975: 36.8%
1980: 41.2%
1985: 36.7%
1990: 32.2%
2006: 25.4%</p>

<p>High school binge drinking is by far the strongest correlation with college binge drinking and frequent college binge drinking (town drunk), even stronger correlations than fraternity membership and/or residence:</p>

<p>From the 1999 Harvard College Alcohol Study:</p>

<p>[ul][li]31.1% of students who did not binge in high school binged as college students in the 2 weeks prior to the survey.</p>[/li]
<p>[li]73.9% of students who did binge in high school binged as college students in the 2 weeks prior to the survey.[/ul]</p>[/li]
<p>The data is even more striking for the frequent binge drinkers, those who binged more than once a week in the 2 weeks prior to the survey.</p>

<p>[ul][li]12.2% of students who did not binge in high school were frequent college bingers.</p>[/li]
<p>[*]46.7% of students who did binge in high school were frequent college bingers.[/ul]</p>

<p>As I have said many, many times the drinking at my D’s college (both by over and under 21’s) is a major concern of mine. (I don’t believe for a second that it is worse there than at comparable schools.) Her President is on the list calling for “debate”. Located in the city it is, with a major drinking entertainment district nearby, the opportunities to get into dangerous situations are immense. The school does have a substantial focus on safety. Students are given data and tools to cope with alcohol and “sex signals”. </p>

<p>All “official” off campus parties have undisclosed locations and “party buses” and often an underage armband system (for what little good that does). D has pulled many stints as a monitor on the “last” bus back to campus, the “drunk” bus, making sure students get home safely.</p>

<p>It is still not a good situation. My perception is that these events might become excuses to drink, possibly elevated to that position by the dynamics in place to make it “safer”. </p>

<p>I like mini’s speech. I would welcome a speech like that at my D’s school, but even with the reservations I have I still support a lowering of the drinking age to 18. I cannot rationalize the “adult for some things, not adult enough for other things” position. Make them fully responsible adults, educate them, and put workable safety programs in place (heck, put them in place for all drinkers).</p>

<p>mini’s freshmen orientation speech would be even more effective if the College mandated and enforced a dry campus during freshmen orientation when all of the students on campus either underage or there to help “orient” underage students to responsible college life.</p>

<p>"From the 1999 Harvard College Alcohol Study:</p>

<p>31.1% of students who did not binge in high school binged as college students in the 2 weeks prior to the survey.</p>

<p>73.9% of students who did binge in high school binged as college students in the 2 weeks prior to the survey.</p>

<p>The data is even more striking for the frequent binge drinkers, those who binged more than once a week in the 2 weeks prior to the survey.</p>

<p>12.2% of students who did not binge in high school were frequent college bingers.</p>

<p>46.7% of students who did binge in high school were frequent college bingers."</p>

<p>The takeaway is that if you decrease the age to 18, there will be a major increase in HIGH SCHOOL binge drinking (and not only for those who turned 18 while still in high school.)</p>